Obscure hockey facts/stats

[The Panther]

To put into perspective how much McDavid and Draisaitl are depended on to carry the load right now on the Oilers...

Stats from Edmonton in 2021:

-- The top-2 scorers outscored all the other 16 forwards combined.
-- The #2 scorer on the team outscored the #3, the #4, and the #5 forwards combined.

Do either of these apply to any other club in history??

 

[Super Fadio Bro]

Hard to imagine now, but in 1964 the Leafs and Habs had won the exact same amount of Cups (12).

By 1967 it was still just Montreal (14) and Toronto (13).

Didn’t the Leafs had more cups than the Habs at some point?

 

[Neonmile]

They even had a 9-6 lead in the early 50's! Then they don't win for a decade while Montreal has 12 by 1960, the Leafs then have their second 3 cup streak, bringing us to Big Phil's post.

Got a couple of my own, maybe they've already been mentioned:

-Despite only being around for 16 years the Nordiques handily beat the Habs in 100 points season, 16 to 10. In fact they are, I think, the only team to average one 100 points season per year for its existence.

-Only 5 times in the history of the Art-Ross has a player finished first or second in scoring before his 21st birthay. First four are Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby and McDavid, wicht is as exclusive as it gets in term of right-of-the-gate phenom. Fifth one is... Ilya Kovalchuk. Big star for sure but kind of a long way from that level and there is probably a dozen or two of more obvious candidate.

-Best Oilers goal differential from the 99 era (well any of their era really), was +132 in 1983-84. The Canadiens beat that 7 times during their dynasty, including the past-its-prime edtion of 1981-82.

-The Habs had never draft a hall-of-fame center before Carboneau was inducted (I think)

And finally my favorite one:

Jesse Wallin, whose NHL career lasted all of 49 games with 2 assists; had more Hall of Fame center as teammate than Henri Richard.

 

[DeysArena]

Didn’t the Leafs had more cups than the Habs at some point?

The Leafs franchise had more cups that the Habs from 1922-24 & 1948-57

 

[tarheelhockey]

They even had a 9-6 lead in the early 50's!

Imagine being a Leafs fan who was born in 1947. As a kid you grow up with the idea that your team dominates Montreal, and by the time you're 20 it's evened up into a tightly matched rivalry.

And then... well...

 

[Big Phil]

-Despite only being around for 16 years the Nordiques handily beat the Habs in 100 points season, 16 to 10. In fact they are, I think, the only team to average one 100 points season per year for its existence.

Jesse Wallin, whose NHL career lasted all of 49 games with 2 assists; had more Hall of Fame center as teammate than Henri Richard.

Okay, that makes sense with Wallin. He would have played with Yzerman, Fedorov, Larionov and Datsyuk is most likely in. Zetterberg too if you want to count him as a centre and a future HHOFer. Am I missing anyone?

Henri would have had Beliveau and Lemaire. That's it unless I am blanking on a real obvious one.

Just in checking, the Nords had a player get at least 100 points 16 times. The Habs in their history...................10. Wow. Okay, so that's a bet I lose for sure. Just 10 times in NHL history has a Habs player gotten 100 points? I knew the last time for them getting one was Mats Naslund in 1986. But the first one was Lafleur in 1975. That's an 11 year window.

The Nords can thank Stastny, Goulet and Sakic for getting them so many of these 100 point seasons by a player. Even stranger is this, Guy Lafleur cracked 100 points 6 times. The only other players who have done it are Pete Mahovlich (twice), Steve Shutt and Mats Naslund. Wow.

 

[Big Phil]

Roland Melanson led the NHL in save percentage in back to back years. No kidding.

 

[Sadekuuro]

The Nords can thank Stastny, Goulet and Sakic for getting them so many of these 100 point seasons by a player. Even stranger is this, Guy Lafleur cracked 100 points 6 times. The only other players who have done it are Pete Mahovlich (twice), Steve Shutt and Mats Naslund. Wow.

I believe Detroit only has one more than Montreal -- Yzerman x6, Fedorov x2, Howe, Dionne, and Ogrodnick.

 

[Big Phil]

I believe Detroit only has one more than Montreal -- Yzerman x6, Fedorov x2, Howe, Dionne, and Ogrodnick.

Yeah, hard to believe. But I guess you can argue they were built to win Cups, not necessarily scoring titles.

 

[The Panther]

The Oilers had 22 one-hundred plus point player-seasons in their first 8 years of existence. (Make that 26 in 8 years if we count Gretzky's 200-point seasons as two 100-point seasons!)

27 in their first 11 years of existence. Then, they had 1 more in the next 30 years.

 

[Big Phil]

The Oilers had 22 one-hundred plus point player-seasons in their first 8 years of existence. (Make that 26 in 8 years if we count Gretzky's 200-point seasons as two 100-point seasons!)

27 in their first 11 years of existence. Then, they had 1 more in the next 30 years.

Doug Weight in 1996 was the last one and the last one since 1990 if I am correct, right?

 

[The Panther]

Doug Weight in 1996 was the last one and the last one since 1990 if I am correct, right?

Yes, Doug Weight is the only one inclusive of 1990-91 through 2015-16.

But I guess the Oilers are roaring back with six 100-point-player seasons in the past five years! (McDavid has already twice been the ONLY player to reach 100.)

 

[alko]

The Oilers had 22 one-hundred plus point player-seasons in their first 8 years of existence. (Make that 26 in 8 years if we count Gretzky's 200-point seasons as two 100-point seasons!)

27 in their first 11 years of existence. Then, they had 1 more in the next 30 years.

Now im curious, if this is a overall NHL record. Or is there any team, who had more 100-points player seasons?

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

To put into perspective how much McDavid and Draisaitl are depended on to carry the load right now on the Oilers...
Stats from Edmonton in 2021:
-- The top-2 scorers outscored all the other 16 forwards combined.
-- The #2 scorer on the team outscored the #3, the #4, and the #5 forwards combined.
Do either of these apply to any other club in history??

Pretty sick.

My best bet is probably that it might have happened a few times in the early NHL. For instance, Newsy Lalonde and Odie Cleghorn outproduced the eight other forwards listed as having played at least a game for the Canadiens in 1917-18 by 60 points to 48.

I looked back at certain players in time, including Pavel Bure who outscored the Panthers’ second leading scorer by 55 points, but it wasn’t it, and I realized that pure “island superstars” probably wouldn’t gain enough support from the team’s runner-up to be able to score more points than the rest of the forwards.

Then, I looked at a few “island duos”, like Potvin and Bossy in 1975-76, pre-dynasty Gretzky and Kurri/Anderson, and 1990-91 Hull and Oates, however it seemed like even teams with relatively bad offensive depth had a whole bunch of fairly weak players who would rack up 20-70 point seasons, from the first expansion until the dead puck era.

I think there might have been several instances of lines or trios outscoring the rest of their forward depth in the history of the game. Lemieux, Jagr and Francis outscored 23 other forwards listed for at least a game in 1996-97 by 307 to 293, for example, but I think it’s fair to say we’ve never seen a double-headed superstar forward island quite like the McDavid-Draisaitl duo!

 

[The Panther]

According to the above post, Quebec/Colorado has had the most 100-point player seasons since 1979-80, I think? I would imagine Pittsburgh has had a lot, too, especially since the late 80s.

Can someone make an accurate list of how many 100-point player seasons each franchise has had?

 

[Vujtek]

All franchises with atleast ten 100-point player seasons:

34 Pittsburgh Penguins & Edmonton Oilers
24 Boston Bruins
23 Los Angeles Kings
21 Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
18 New York Islanders
13 St.Louis Blues
12 Chicago Blackhawks
11 Detroit Red Wings
10 Montreal Canadiens & Atlanta Flames/Calgary Flames

So Penguins and Oilers share the record by a fair margin to third place Bruins.

 

[The Panther]

All franchises with atleast ten 100-point player seasons:

34 Pittsburgh Penguins & Edmonton Oilers
24 Boston Bruins
23 Los Angeles Kings
21 Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
18 New York Islanders
13 St.Louis Blues
12 Chicago Blackhawks
11 Detroit Red Wings
10 Montreal Canadiens & Atlanta Flames/Calgary Flames

So Penguins and Oilers share the record by a fair margin to third place Bruins.

According to my NHL.com look at this, the Oilers have had 34 (as you say) but the Penguins 32. Or, are you counting a couple of players who were traded in mid-season or something...?

 

[Vujtek]

According to my NHL.com look at this, the Oilers have had 34 (as you say) but the Penguins 32. Or, are you counting a couple of players who were traded in mid-season or something...?

NHL.com shows 34 for me:

NHL Stats

10 Lemieux
6 Crosby
4 Jagr
3 Malkin
2 Coffey
2 Stevens
2 Francis
1 Larouche
1 Pronovost
1 Brown
1 Recchi
1 Tocchet

Edit. This is all-time, not just since 1979-80. I assume that makes up the difference as Larouche and Pronovost had their 100 point seasons in 1975-76 season.

 

[The Panther]

Since 1967 expansion:

Number of 50-goal player-seasons
16 - Edmonton Oilers (8 are Gretzky)
16 - Pittsburgh Penguins
14 - Washington Capitals (8 are Ovechkin)
14 - Los Angeles Kings
12 - New York Islanders (9 are Bossy)
12 - Philadelphia Flyers
11 - Boston Bruins
11 - Detroit Red Wings
10 - Montreal Canadiens

Number of 40-goal player-seasons
43 - Pittsburgh Penguins
37 - Philadelphia Flyers
34 - Edmonton Oilers
32 - Chicago Blackhawks
30 - Boston Bruins
30 - Los Angeles Kings
29 - New York Islanders
28 - Washington Capitals
26 - Detroit Red Wings
25 - Buffalo Sabres
25 - Calgary/Atlanta Flames
25 - Montreal Canadiens
24 - St.Louis Blues
23 - Toronto Maple Leafs
24 - Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
23 - New York Rangers

 

[The Panther]

NHL.com shows 34 for me:

NHL Stats

10 Lemieux
6 Crosby
4 Jagr
3 Malkin
2 Coffey
2 Stevens
2 Francis
1 Larouche
1 Pronovost
1 Brown
1 Recchi
1 Tocchet

Edit. This is all-time, not just since 1979-80. I assume that makes up the difference as Larouche and Pronovost had their 100 point seasons in 1975-76 season.

You're absolutely right. Please ignore my post...

 

[DeysArena]

The Oilers had 22 one-hundred plus point player-seasons in their first 8 years of existence. (Make that 26 in 8 years if we count Gretzky's 200-point seasons as two 100-point seasons!)

27 in their first 11 years of existence. Then, they had 1 more in the next 30 years.

In fairness, this phenomenon isn't unique to the Oilers. 80s scoring numbers would look ridiculous in any other era.

 

[ES]

There's one Finnish player who has been a team-mate to Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux.

That's Peter Ahola.

 

[The Panther]

In fairness, this phenomenon isn't unique to the Oilers. 80s scoring numbers would look ridiculous in any other era.

That brings to mind the question of which teams had most of their most 100-point player-seasons not in the 1980s?

I can think of Montreal (70s) and Pittsburgh (90s)... what others?

 

[KMart27]

That brings to mind the question of which teams had most of their most 100-point player-seasons not in the 1980s?

I can think of Montreal (70s) and Pittsburgh (90s)... what others?

Bruins and Rangers.

 

[kaiser matias]

NHL.com shows 34 for me:

NHL Stats

10 Lemieux
6 Crosby
4 Jagr
3 Malkin
2 Coffey
2 Stevens
2 Francis
1 Larouche
1 Pronovost
1 Brown
1 Recchi
1 Tocchet

Edit. This is all-time, not just since 1979-80. I assume that makes up the difference as Larouche and Pronovost had their 100 point seasons in 1975-76 season.

Wikipedia has a list of all time players as well, for reference:

List of NHL players with 100-point seasons - Wikipedia