Post-Game Talk: NYR @ Montreal - October 15

[Off Sides]

Torts is a good coach for a young team that needs a Drill Sargent to break them down and rebuild them to have a defensive conscience.

AV is a good coach for a team that can play his style, but some of his other choices in my opinion need to be tossed if they are indeed his choices.

Both seem loyal to a fault, just differently.

 

[Tawnos]

Torts is a good coach for a young team that needs a Drill Sargent to break them down and rebuild them to have a defensive conscience.

AV is a good coach for a team that can play his style, but some of his other choices in my opinion need to be tossed if they are indeed his choices.

Both seem loyal to a fault, just differently.

All coaches are "loyal to a fault" to certain guys.

 

[Tawnos]

Does anyone truly believe that this Rangers team with a cold Rick Nash, a cold Derrick Brassard, a cold Chris Kreider, a cold Derek Stepan, and a cold Kevin Hayes is really representative of what this team is really like?

 

[CupWindow]

Does anyone truly believe that this Rangers team with a cold Rick Nash, a cold Derrick Brassard, a cold Chris Kreider, a cold Derek Stepan, and a cold Kevin Hayes is really representative of what this team is really like?

Dude...what are you doing thinking logically?

We're 3-2.

Our team sucks. Our coach sucks. Our defense sucks. The only reason we're an NHL team is cause of Hank.

Anyone who thinks other wise is a fool.

 

[Tawnos]

The beginning of the season is meaningless in terms of long term projection. Does anyone else remember how awesome we looked when Aaron Voros started the season hot?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

The beginning of the season is meaningless in terms of long term projection. Does anyone else remember how awesome we looked when Aaron Voros started the season hot?

didn't we start 10-1-2 that year?

 

[haveandare]

i believe torts is the better coach. (BEFORE YOU RESPOND LISTEN TO MY REASON)

Torts had everyone dropping down to block shots from game 1 while every year AV has struggled to get everyone to believe in his system and play it well.
AV has the better system by miles (not that thats saying much) but Torts gets people to buy in more and put the team first.


EDIT: im taking coaching as getting players to play in system. which is 80% of coaching in modern sports

Totally disagree. Torts system was stupid simple, that's why everyone got it right away. That's also why teams were able to negate it fairly easily.

 

[Off Sides]

All coaches are "loyal to a fault" to certain guys.

I'd say they are loyal yet not all of them to a fault.

 

[Tawnos]

didn't we start 10-1-2 that year?

It was something ridiculous like that. Then we finished 7th in the conference en route to a first round loss.

 

[GOAT AINEC]

What is going on with Nash? He is usually so dominate to start the season then progressively gets worse. He is going to end up scoring half the goals he scored last year.

Also, this team needs to figure out how to beat Montreal and Tampa. They beat themselves when they play those two teams.

A.V is a good coach but he is so stubborn.

 

[CupWindow]

What is going on with Nash? He is usually so dominate to start the season then progressively gets worse. He is going to end up scoring half the goals he scored last year.

Maybe it's a good sign.

He used to score meaningless goals in meaningless games.

Now maybe he'll score meaningful goals in meaningful games.

Who knows.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Does anyone truly believe that this Rangers team with a cold Rick Nash, a cold Derrick Brassard, a cold Chris Kreider, a cold Derek Stepan, and a cold Kevin Hayes is really representative of what this team is really like?

Absolutely not. For some reason, October is the bubonic plague to this team.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

What is going on with Nash? He is usually so dominate to start the season then progressively gets worse. He is going to end up scoring half the goals he scored last year.

Also, this team needs to figure out how to beat Montreal and Tampa. They beat themselves when they play those two teams.

A.V is a good coach but he is so stubborn.

Maybe he'll pull the opposite of what he did. Which honestly I'd be ok with entirely.

 

[Placid]

Does anyone truly believe that this Rangers team with a cold Rick Nash, a cold Derrick Brassard, a cold Chris Kreider, a cold Derek Stepan, and a cold Kevin Hayes is really representative of what this team is really like?

hehe, no. The only thing unusual about this years start, is that Hank has been *really* good. He is normally quite the slow starter as well.

They'll get it together at some point.

 

[Florida Ranger]

AV's teams always start slow. As fans, we should not be worried at all. Just go back to the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. BRUTAL. The Rangers ended up as EC champs. I don't remember last year starting so peachy either. This team will get it going. After all, we are 3-2-0. If we were 0-5, yeah, I might be worried...a little.

 

[Raspewtin]

Does anyone truly believe that this Rangers team with a cold Rick Nash, a cold Derrick Brassard, a cold Chris Kreider, a cold Derek Stepan, and a cold Kevin Hayes is really representative of what this team is really like?

lmao for real.

Kreider, Hayes, Brassard, Nash all play great for years (well not Hayes but you get it). 5 games of not being good is apparently their true colors.

 

[OnlyTruth]

Our PP once again is a joke.

 

[Tawnos]

AV's teams always start slow. As fans, we should not be worried at all. Just go back to the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. BRUTAL. The Rangers ended up as EC champs. I don't remember last year starting so peachy either. This team will get it going. After all, we are 3-2-0. If we were 0-5, yeah, I might be worried...a little.

It's not just AV. The team is full of guys that seem to have this problem. We started off really slow in 11-12 too. There's a lot different about this roster, obviously. I wonder if it stems off the 3 core defensemen.

 

[Placid]

AV's teams always start slow. As fans, we should not be worried at all. Just go back to the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. BRUTAL. The Rangers ended up as EC champs. I don't remember last year starting so peachy either. This team will get it going. After all, we are 3-2-0. If we were 0-5, yeah, I might be worried...a little.

2013 - 2014 start : 3 - 7 in the first 10. (1 - 4 in the first 5)
2014 - 2015 start : 5 - 5 in the first 10. (2 - 3 in the first 5)

If we go 0 - 5 in the next 5 games, we'll have a bad start, but it'll still be on par with our start from two years ago. We'll get it together guys, just have some patience

 

[The Gloaming]

It's not just AV. The team is full of guys that seem to have this problem. We started off really slow in 11-12 too. There's a lot different about this roster, obviously. I wonder if it stems off the 3 core defensemen.

It's both - I also seem to remember AV's Canucks being **** in October. Probably not a great combination.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If you forget that the Rangers largely played like ****, that was a pretty entertaining game by the two best goaltenders on earth.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

didn't we start 10-1-2 that year?

10-2-1 start, then 21-21-6 after that start before Renney was fired. 12-7-2 under Tortorella.

Lost to the Caps in 7 after taking a 3-1 lead.

Hank gave up 4 goals on 14 shots in game 5, and 5 shots on 20 shots in game 6.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

i think the problem with the slow starts is awful line combos that AV tries to force to work before changing up to something at helps everyone.

still waiting to c
Kreider-Stepan-nash
Miller-brass-zucc
lindberg-hayes-fast
Stalberg-moore-stoll

 

[haveandare]

Need to change the PP. It's absolutely insane how little they change despite it being so unsuccessful.

Try two on the half boards and Yandle alone at the point. We ran it through McD like that at some point and it did decent.

What's stopping them from hiring a dedicated PP coach? It's been a problem for so long.

 

[bl02]

i think the problem with the slow starts is awful line combos that AV tries to force to work before changing up to something at helps everyone.

still waiting to c
Kreider-Stepan-nash
Miller-brass-zucc
lindberg-hayes-fast
Stalberg-moore-stoll

This is much better combos ! Hayes needs to get back into the center roll. It seems at wing he is a shell of himself at wing and loses all of creative playmaking abilities. Rather see lindberg be "sacrificed" and moved to wing.