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I like those lines
I don't really get it either a 1-3-1 where either side of the 3 falls back to the point when they do not have possession seems like their best bet.
Post-Game Talk: NYR @ Montreal - October 15
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I like those lines
I don't really get it either a 1-3-1 where either side of the 3 falls back to the point when they do not have possession seems like their best bet.
Captain Lindy
Formerly known as Kreider Beast
I had a nagging feeling that the 3-0 start was too good to be true. Now the team is back to normal "October" play.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
As long as they go back to normal "April" play, it doesn't really matter.
There's a reason the Blackhawks board wouldn't give a **** about a "bad 3-2 start"
aufheben
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
They do run a 1-3-1 already. Problem is there's no shooting threat on the half-boards so teams don't have to worry about the shot.
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But it does not look like this, I can not find any recent Ranger PP screenshots, and this is just from memory but it sure looks a lot more like the Rangers have two point men out by the blue line to me when I watch.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
But it does not look like this, I can not find any recent Ranger PP screenshots, and this is just from memory but it sure looks a lot more like the Rangers have two point men out by the blue line to me when I watch.
The Rangers don't have a heavy enough shot for this.
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They used to use a similar formation and have Zucc as the near board QB player.
As far as not having a shot, I don't see how having two point men who do not have a shot helps. It's not like it opens up any cross ice passing lanes or down low ones that way either, it appears to me that it only accomplishes what we see, lots of outside the slot keep away.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I know its not recent but that's what they run. Stepan in the slot is exactly where he should be too.
TheTakedown
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I'm all about moving Hayes back to Center if there is no improvement in the next 3-5 games...
McDonagh-Klein was actually working as a pairing. The issue is that now you have to work with Staal-Boyle (average pairing) and Yandle-Girardi, which is going to kill Yandle's effect on the game...
The solution internally is moving some guys out of position:
Staal-McDonagh
Yandle-Klein
Boyle-Girardi
It's a bit more top heavy, but the top 4 now looks formidable.
If they can't do this, then some guys need to be traded. Girardi is a complete anchor. Advanced stats had been telling this story for two years but everyone was all "ZHSDIUFSDOMGGGG GIRARDI IS A WARRIOR OMG SO GOOD **** corsi"...
now all the sudden his partner isn't playing well and now he looks like complete doodoo...
Please, go ahead and tell me the defense looked GOOD in this game... Go ahead...
I'll retort by calling you crazy..
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See that is how I remember it being, and maybe I am way off, but it has not seemed like that in the past couple games. Maybe they have been using Boyle or something, like I said I may be off and have to re-watch but it just seems like they are doing something different.
I thought Hank played great and Klein played well. I kind of feel this way about most games thus far this season. The rest of the team looked like trash after the first period. Defense is brutal at times especially when you think of salaries that they pull. I don't really care for Yandle and seeing Duclair do well makes it harder. Tis early on though who knows where the team will be come December.
offdacrossbar
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2 zip ( not counting the e/n goal) aint that bad against this team in that building. we never win there.
offensively, this team is challenged. big time. no shooters. too many straight ahead players who have tunnel vision. we can create with speed and size but then we have no ability to finish. we waste chances that we create via hard work because we cannot hit the net nor can we pick corners.
we hit shins.
legs
pipe
net
glass
or just flub shots.
our best (most highly paid players) are not producing. period.
if you take away the 4 goals from oscar lindberg, this team look pretty weak.
rick nash 1 assists in 5 game and tons of minutes. highest paid player and goal scorer extrordinaire.
ryan mcdonagh zero points in 5 games. never leaves the ice.
chris kreider 2 assists in 5 games. breakout season ?
dan boyle. 1 assists in 4 games. offensive dman ?
still believe this team will struggle to score and without a top 10 power play, prepare yourself for many 1 goal losses and shutouts against.
fix
the
powerplay
offensively, this team is challenged. big time. no shooters. too many straight ahead players who have tunnel vision. we can create with speed and size but then we have no ability to finish. we waste chances that we create via hard work because we cannot hit the net nor can we pick corners.
we hit shins.
legs
pipe
net
glass
or just flub shots.
our best (most highly paid players) are not producing. period.
if you take away the 4 goals from oscar lindberg, this team look pretty weak.
rick nash 1 assists in 5 game and tons of minutes. highest paid player and goal scorer extrordinaire.
ryan mcdonagh zero points in 5 games. never leaves the ice.
chris kreider 2 assists in 5 games. breakout season ?
dan boyle. 1 assists in 4 games. offensive dman ?
still believe this team will struggle to score and without a top 10 power play, prepare yourself for many 1 goal losses and shutouts against.
fix
the
powerplay
Danny Girardi on that 1st PP Unit and the coach isn't Jonn Tortorella...This real life?
Sure some of that is true for the year but seriously most of what you said is just wait...what about:
So remember the next time you want to make definitive analysis about a team merely 5 games in just stop. Chicken littles trying so hard. Folks it isn't complicated. A sports season is loaded with ups and downs. Seriously. That's it. 2 years in a row we got shellacked 6-0 in early season games ok? I swear it's like goldfish memory mode around here for some folks
The Gloaming
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I really don't get why we have two pointmen. I always look to Philly's PP. They have Giroux and Voracek on their off-wing, playing on opposite half walls. Mark Streit on the point, and two big players in the slot/in front of the net. And that works so well for them. We have the players necessary to run that style of PP - it's just the idiot Arniel that refuses to change anything.
haveandare
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Exactly. And on top of that, we definitely, definitely don't have 4 players who are worth putting on the point on the PP. We have 2 in McD and Yandle. One point man on each unit makes so much more sense.
The Gloaming
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I think a Philly-style PP would make so much sense for this team. None of the PHI players I mentioned have great shots (although Giroux can sometimes really get a lot on his), but they make it work. Yandle in Streit's position. Stepan in Giroux's, Brassard in Voracek's. Kreider and one of Nash/Hayes/whoever in the low slot looking for quick one-timers/deflections/rebounds. Hell, the person in front of the net doesn't even need to be that skilled. Ryan White has found himself on Philly's 1PP unit many times.
Streit has an excellent shot. Giroux loves one-timers, as does Voracek, and their both ideal half-wall players with different handedness.
Some insight into their powerplay, albeit from a couple years back.
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/570661
I would put Yandle and Stepan on opposite boards, Kreider in front, Nash in the high slot, and McDonagh at the point. 2nd unit would be Brassard and Miller on the boards, Boyle up top, Zucc in the high slot, and Hayes in front. But what do I know.
Point is, we're never going to play with a man up like Philly until we have a talent like Giroux. That's an elite offensive talent. And now they have Voracek too.
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The Gloaming
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Good write-up. I'll admit the large drop off between Giroux and Stepan, but I think the Rangers could make it work. Brassard has a great shot that he's afraid to use. That could work.
It's worth trying anything new instead of the same crap we've been seeing for 2+ seasons under Arniel.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I agree that we want a stronger powerplay. However, the special teams situation can often distract from where the real improvements need to come. How many odd man rushes did we have last night where we didn't get a shot, either from overpass or indecision? How many times did we miss the net?
Fixing the powerplay is important. Fixing the PK, which hasn't been great, is slightly more important. Executing properly at even strength is way more important. It's fine to focus on the PP. let's just not forget about the bigger issues.
Fixing the powerplay is important. Fixing the PK, which hasn't been great, is slightly more important. Executing properly at even strength is way more important. It's fine to focus on the PP. let's just not forget about the bigger issues.
aufheben
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Very much so. I think it's too early into the season to worry about the PP anyway; the %s vary widely under such small sample sizes.
Streit is also a much more lethal shooter than Yandle but overall, Yandle is at worst == to Streit as a pointman with his vision/passing/ability to keep pucks alive at the line.
As you said, Stepan is a clear downgrade to Giroux but Giroux is an elite player in the league, not much you can do about that.
Simmonds is one of if not the best player around the net in the league. Dude is a lock for just under 30 goals a year by cleaning up the garbage in front.
Not sure if NYR have the personnel to play that kind of PP.
As you said, Stepan is a clear downgrade to Giroux but Giroux is an elite player in the league, not much you can do about that.
Simmonds is one of if not the best player around the net in the league. Dude is a lock for just under 30 goals a year by cleaning up the garbage in front.
Not sure if NYR have the personnel to play that kind of PP.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
I'm not convinced that you need a lot of talent to have a good PP. There's not enough chaos out there with the Rangers.
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