Confirmed with Link: [NYR] Jimmy Vesey re-signs (2 years, $2.275M AAV)

[Doctyl]

Duclair is better and got 1.5M a year less.

We love overpaying 4th liners. Vesey and McLeod with 3M in cap space next year, but we have to trade Hayes.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Completely underserved contract. And it doesn't matter because we don't need the cap space for those two years, but why are we even trying to re-sign him? Why not trade him? He sucks. Its a joke that his contract is higher than Fast's. Should've used Fast's as a comparable, and told him to take less because he's a worse hockey player.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I know he had some terrible numbers under AV, but what often got overlooked was his pretty solid transition stats and his ability to generate individual scoring chances.

I think he’ll benefit from a more north-south oriented system, and he’s shown that he is a good depth goal scorer. Never play him on the powerplay again though, please.

He has good transition stats because he's a good skater, maybe even a very good skater. He handles the puck kind of well, better than someone like Kreider, but Vesey has absolutely no idea how to finish or make good plays with the puck. He can transition it and create individual scoring chances, but they rarely result in goals, and he absolutely cannot finish, unless he's standing in front of the net.

 

[Leetch3]

Duclair is better and got 1.5M a year less.

We love overpaying 4th liners. Vesey and McLeod with 3M in cap space next year, but we have to trade Hayes.

if hayes is dealt it has nothing to do with the cap hit of 4th liners

 

[Leetch3]

salary might be a tad high but we've got so much cap space its not a big deal. would love to see him break out under quinn but I still don't see where he fits long term. if i had to bet $$ vesey won't be here after the deadline

 

[Kupo]

If he hits 20 goals and 40 points,its a steal of a contract.

Yet, people will still hate him even if he accomplishes that.

The thing with Vesey is, he has a very punchable face, similar to a guy like

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Problem was that Vesey was forced to be a grinder when he was really more of a scorer in college. Now that we maybe have less depth he might get more icetime on top 2 lines and PP. Also if Hayes could be taught to kill penalties, Vesey can as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The problem with Vesey has always been, and will always be, that people have unrealistic expectations of him because of his free agency drama. Fans were celebrating as if we just won the Stanley Cup when he signed with us. Even celebrities like Sarandon and Neeson chimed in. He's just not that good. A 4th liner who can play on the 3rd line on a bottom-5 team. If it is only about goals, we could have given Pirri 2m AAV as well.

My only real issue is that his contract expires for his first UFA season.

 

[Mac n Gs]

He has good transition stats because he's a good skater, maybe even a very good skater. He handles the puck kind of well, better than someone like Kreider, but Vesey has absolutely no idea how to finish or make good plays with the puck. He can transition it and create individual scoring chances, but they rarely result in goals, and he absolutely cannot finish, unless he's standing in front of the net.

So basically this:

 

[NYR Viper]

He’s good around the net. He gets into trouble when he tries to do too much. Hopefully Wuinn can get him to simplify his game. If he can do that, I don’t see a reason why 35 points and 20g is out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Off Sides]

I would have gone for a 1-year deal. I just don't like players hitting UFA the first year they're eligible.

That would be my gripe as well, what is the point to a two year deal here or for Name.

If the player does poorly it's an overpayment, if he is good he will cost a lot more to buy up those UFA years, so basically much like with Name they are sort of betting on the player being pretty much very average to what they were, but not bad.

I'm thinking they must be using this term, leaving them a UFA as soon as possible, for some reasoning outside of that and the only one I can come up with would be they think they will need cap space for the 2020-21 season or are planning on really selling the deadline prior using these players as rentals to other teams.

This, like with Name, leaves Vesey as a player that will not be under contract for what the likely expansion year is. Again I'm not sure I get their plan for that or if they are even thinking about it.

With those gripes aside, I don't really care that he got this deal, I don't think it really an egregious overpayment or an underpayment, I just don't understand the strategy.

 

[chosen]

He has good transition stats because he's a good skater, maybe even a very good skater. He handles the puck kind of well, better than someone like Kreider, but Vesey has absolutely no idea how to finish or make good plays with the puck. He can transition it and create individual scoring chances, but they rarely result in goals, and he absolutely cannot finish, unless he's standing in front of the net.

The guy who puts the puck in the net more often than guys you think are better finishers is indicative of your bias (something you often accuse others of displaying).

To add to the hilarity, criticizing a player for scoring from in front, a quality fans usually scream about not happening enough.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

He is overpaid, but at 2 years it doesn't matter.

I would have preferred us trading him but whatever

 

[Inferno]

I think vesey is a phenomenal finisher in a 10 foot radius around the net. He's also a very good skater and has good size with a decent bit of heaviness to his game. Literally everything else he's just atrocious at.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Problem was that Vesey was forced to be a grinder when he was really more of a scorer in college. Now that we maybe have less depth he might get more icetime on top 2 lines and PP. Also if Hayes could be taught to kill penalties, Vesey can as well.

Thats because his dangles only work against lesser competition.

The guy can't pass

Has no vision

His shot is nothing special

The only thing he is above average at is finding those garbage goals around the net (nothing to scoff at, its a necessary skill)

His best chance at sticking in the NHL is to become a grinder. He is not a small guy, he should be using his body more.

Maybe he can be taught to PK.

He should never EVER be on the power play.

A bottom 6 PKer who can chip in 15-20 garbage goals a year can be a valuable player. The problem is that there is this delusion that he can be more than that, and it is just not true.

 

[silverfish]

I think vesey is a phenomenal finisher in a 10 foot radius around the net.

He's slightly above average. Peep the advanced stats thread.

 

[Inferno]

He's slightly above average. Peep the advanced stats thread.

Tbh I have that thread on ignore.

 

[silverfish]

Tbh I have that thread on ignore.

jk I don't blame you.

 

[Leetch3]

The problem with Vesey has always been, and will always be, that people have unrealistic expectations of him because of his free agency drama. Fans were celebrating as if we just won the Stanley Cup when he signed with us. Even celebrities like Sarandon and Neeson chimed in. He's just not that good. A 4th liner who can play on the 3rd line on a bottom-5 team. If it is only about goals, we could have given Pirri 2m AAV as well.

My only real issue is that his contract expires for his first UFA season.

even that is debatable....we are gonna be a bottom 5-10 team and the only way he cracks our top 9 is if guys are traded away or we decided that both chytil and anderson should start the year in hartford

 

[haveandare]

Yet, people will still hate him even if he accomplishes that.

The thing with Vesey is, he has a very punchable face, similar to a guy like

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Nobody beats Gourde in the punchable face category.

 

[Zibanejbread]

Meh... the extra $275k shouldn't keep us out of the Panarin sweepstakes next summer.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nobody beats Gourde in the punchable face category.

Tyler Johnson.

Tampa has so many of them.

 

[haveandare]

Tyler Johnson.

Tampa has so many of them.

I dunno, I think Gourde is worse. He could save my family from a burning building and I'd still want to punch him in the mouth. I kind of feel bad but it's true.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I dunno, I think Gourde is worse. He could save my family from a burning building and I'd still want to punch him in the mouth. I kind of feel bad but it's true.

TJ could do the same and I'd punch him in the mouth and then throw him inside of the building.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

Is it a two-way contract?