Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] Jacob Trouba signs with the Rangers (7 years, $8M AAV)

[Sasso09]

If he can continue scoring 50+ points a season he'll probably be worth it but I can't help but fear the worst and it turns out he's more of a 30 point guy.

Putting up 50 in WPG is a lot easier than in NYR, agree.

 

[Sasso09]

Maybe group your stuff together? There was no need for 5 post in a row. Especially where none of your responses contributed to anything.



If that's all we get from him, for most of his contract, I'll be quite happy. If he ends up being a #2/#3 for the duration of his contract, the 8 million is well worth it going forward. Trouba had a unique situation - 1 year away from UFA status.

People look at RFA VS UFA money. 1) That's changing with the current RFA contracts. 2) There was only 1 year of RFA status left. If we let this play out through arbitration, we keep Trouba paid less for this year and then have to negotiate through-out the year or trade him at the deadline. He would most likely want to listen to UFA offers if he starts the season as an expiring contract.

Maybe care less?

 

[Sasso09]

He is a much better defender than both...hands down better

His defensive metrics are pretty horrible.

 

[mikelvl]

Seems a lot of coin for a guy who isn't necessarily a number 1 Dman. But as salaries raise over time, maybe it won't end up being as bad.

 

[One Winged Angel]

That's precisely what he is

Is that why only 34 defenders got more TOI/G than he did and of those 34, only 7 outscored him?

That must be one hell of a second pairing defender.

 

[Sasso09]

This board thinks every player making over $6.5M/year is overpaid.

CapFriendly also has the signing dates of all those contracts, but I guess that sort of spoils the joke.

Aho

Great deal

 

[mydnyte]

this contract can get ugly fast ...he is going to be the NYR clear #1, and face all the top lines with nobody to shelter him, or take the load off. ...

 

[Sasso09]

I would take Trouba on my team easily over Morrissey.
Let's make a poll on this and see what people believe in general.

Trouba is an overrated name. Morrisey is the better player and Jets fans been saying this for years.

 

[Sasso09]

Trouba is l better that Provorov in all phases of the game. Provorov is younger and may reach Trouba's level some day, but he Trouba is a much better player right now

No, not even close. Ivan is better at everything but PP. Ivan is far superior defensively.

 

[lomiller1]

Putting up 50 in WPG is a lot easier than in NYR, agree.

Not really. It doesn’t matter what team you are on to get 50 you need a lot of PP production. The Jets second PP doesn’t score much and doesn’t play much and Buff is normally the only D-man on the #1 unit. Trouba played 35-40 games on the Jets top PP while Buff was injured and still managed to hit 50 points. He’d have been well into the mid 60’s if he’d been on the top PP all year.

 

[Sasso09]

He plays against the other teams best players, he's near the top on the NHL in 5v5 scoring rates over the past 3 years and is one of the better defenders in the NHL and has good PP numbers in spite of relatively limited opportunity with the Jets top unit. There are maybe 3-5 other D-men in the NHL you can say these things about.

This is just false, his defensive metrics are bad, not average, bad.

 

[pld459666]

His defensive metrics are pretty horrible.

Doesn't detract from the point

 

[Sasso09]

Not really. It doesn’t matter what team you are on to get 50 you need a lot of PP production. The Jets second PP doesn’t score much and doesn’t play much and Buff is normally the only D-man on the #1 unit. Trouba played 35-40 games on the Jets top PP while Buff was injured and still managed to hit 50 points. He’d have been well into the mid 60’s if he’d been on the top PP all year.

Look at the Jets offensive lineup in comparison, the talent levels aren't close. Do you really expect Trouba to put up 50 in NY?

 

[Sasso09]

Doesn't detract from the point

The point was "he's one of the better defenders in the NHL"

It's a direct contradiction to the facts.

 

[Sasso09]

Is that why only 34 defenders got more TOI/G than he did and of those 34, only 7 outscored him?

That must be one hell of a second pairing defender.

He was the 3rd best defenseman on his stacked offensive team.

 

[lomiller1]

No, not even close. Ivan is better at everything but PP.

He doesn’t score as much as Trouba, he doesn’t face the other teams top lines like Trouba and he isn’t as good defensively as Trouba.

Ivan is far superior defensively.

No. Before he was hired by the Avs, @DTMaH’s WAR model, (easily the best metric to date for evaluating defensive play) regularly ranked Trouba as a top 10 defensive D-man in the NHL. Provorov is not in this territory.

 

[lomiller1]

He was the 3rd best defenseman on his stacked offensive team.

Trouba has been the Jets best D-man for a while. Morrissey is made a case for himself but doesn't produce at the same rates. Buff has been on the Jets second pair for a couple years now.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I've asked this before but based on your post how?

Myers 6M, Karlsson 11.5M.
How is Trouba, a top pair RD at 8M a lot then?

Why do people keep acting like you can get these guys for cheap outside of their ELC.

Honestly, because it is the Rangers.

If a different team signed Trouba (aside from maybe the Leafs and Habs) to that contract, the responses would be overwhelmingly positive. Especially if it was a small market team. All we would be reading is how great it is for said team to get a legitimate top pairing defenseman locked up during his prime on a fair contract.

But because it is the Rangers and they are an easy target, Trouba is now vastly overpaid and went from being a top pairing guy to a solid #3.

 

[One Winged Angel]

He was the 3rd best defenseman on his stacked offensive team.

Must be why he played more minutes per game than Morrissey and played with him on their top pair.

Try again.

 

[bigdog16]

Look at the Jets offensive lineup in comparison, the talent levels aren't close. Do you really expect Trouba to put up 50 in NY?

You sound like a really big Trouba fan

Give it a rest

 

[NYRKing]

He was the 3rd best defenseman on his stacked offensive team.

What defensive metrics are you referring to?

The offense has been questioned but below average defensively I haven't heard yet. Some WPG fans say he gambles too much a makes some mistakes but I don't think many question his defense to this extent

 

[NYRKing]

If there's anything I've learned from this thread - must watch Morrissey.

I knew he was good player but did not know he may be (is) better than Trouba. I'm seriously intrigued, especially since fans of so many other teams have mentioned this, not just WPG.

 

[nags]

Trouba has been the Jets best D-man for a while. Morrissey is made a case for himself but doesn't produce at the same rates. Buff has been on the Jets second pair for a couple years now.

Morrissey will have a very different career but will prove to be better in the long-run. We need to find someone with similar attributes to Trouba to pair Morrissey with since that pair was dynamite until Morrissey got hurt last year.

 

[lomiller1]

Honestly, because it is the Rangers.

If a different team signed Trouba (aside from maybe the Leafs and Habs) to that contract, the responses would be overwhelmingly positive. Especially if it was a small market team. All we would be reading is how great it is for said team to get a legitimate top pairing defenseman locked up during his prime on a fair contract.

But because it is the Rangers and they are an easy target, Trouba is now vastly overpaid and went from being a top pairing guy to a solid #3.

Maybe in certain markets the fact it was the Rangers singeing him was an issue but there are likely bigger reasons

Defense is still largely a reputation position. Teams and fans are not good at evaluating it. Players in the West get much less media attention than players in the east so it is a lot harder to build this reputation, and on smaller market teams it’s even harder.

The Jets fanbase has been fairly angry at Trouba the last couple years, so they haven’t been willing to get behind him or defend him. Meanwhile the Leaf fanbase has looked to downplay every Jet player at every turn because they want to position themselves as "Canada’s best team". The noise and this created has resulted in quite a few Jet players being severely underrated.

 

[dBoon]

Trouba is a much better player than Dumba.
Trouba plays against the other team’s top players Dumba doesn’t
Trouba is excellent defensively Dumba is erratic defensively
Trouba was more productive 5v5
Trouba is better on the PK
Dumba may be a little better on a the PP but that’s mostly driven by an elevated and unsustainable sh% last year.

Opinion posted like it was actually fact.

Regardless of your opinion, 4 more years of Dumba @ $6 million is a MUCH better value.