Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] Jacob Trouba signs with the Rangers (7 years, $8M AAV)

[DRW204]

imo as a Jets fan - Trouba and Morrissey are close. both guys excelled as a top-pairing, i don't think either carried the other just very good chemistry together.

I think Trouba>Morrissey offensively, although Morrissey could get to Trouba's point totals. Can Morrissey hit 50 pts with pp1 time? Morrissey was playing at a 43 pt pace this year with similar 5v5 scoring efficiency, maybe with PP1 time he could be near 50. Morrissey>Trouba defensively though... i take Trouba overall but it's very close imo. They're both top-pairing guys that played very well together.

Can Trouba or Morrissey carry a top-pairing anchor? Trouba did have good results playing a bit lower down the line-up with Stuart on the Jets, I don't think Morrissey has spent any significant time away from a top-4 calibre Dman (has played mostly with Buff or Trouba) but his game is predicated on high IQ/defensive soundness and smarts. I think his skill-set could translate well for him in having to carry an anchor to good results, but obviously remains to be seen.

 

[lomiller1]

Morrissey will have a very different career but will prove to be better in the long-run. We need to find someone with similar attributes to Trouba to pair Morrissey with since that pair was dynamite until Morrissey got hurt last year.

Trouba carried Nathan Beaulieu to top pairing min the second half of the season. I guess we’ll see if Morrissey can do the same with Pionk (I’m still holding out hope Kovacevic can step in and play, his size would make him a better fit with a smallish D-man like Morrissey)

Morrissey is very good though. He handles an aggressive forecehck better than Trouba and plays a lower event game than Trouba.

 

[ToDavid]

Trouba is so overrated. 8 mil for 7 years? Enjoy your Seabrook.

As a Blues fan I’m going to miss him being in Winnipeg.

When Trouba's contract is finished he'll be only one year older than Seabrook was when his contract started. Those contracts aren't even in the same universe.

 

[lomiller1]

Opinion posted like it was actually fact.

Regardless of your opinion, 4 more years of Dumba @ $6 million is a MUCH better value.

$8 million for a #1 D is better value than $6 million for a second pair D.

 

[Lays]

$8 million for a #1 D is better value than $6 million for a second pair D.

Dumba and Trouba are both #2D and I say this as a Rangers fan. Both bring something different but are around the same level. Dumba’s contract on an open market would be around Trouba’s as well

 

[dBoon]

$8 million for a #1 D is better value than $6 million for a second pair D.

Perhaps, but 6 million for a 1st pair D totally mops the floor with 8 million for a 2nd pair D

 

[zeke]

I really like trouba, and think he's been underrated due to just not being very good on the PP for whatever reason.

Last 2yrs:

Trouba: 160gms, ES 17:56 (A qoc), .98p/60, .63p1/60, +0.7cfrel, +2.7xgfrel
Morrissey: 162gms, ES 17:26 (A qoc), .89p/60, .51p1/60, +0.0cfrel, +2.2xgfrel
Byfuglien: 134gms, ES 19:28 (B+ qoc), 1.06p/60, .64p1/60, +1.7cfrel, +1.5xgfrel

Trouba: 160gms, PP 1:37, 4.41p/60, 1.63p1/60 ------ PK 2:23
Morrissey: 162gms, PP 0:48, 5.09p/60, 1.85p1/60 --- PK 2:26
Byfuglien: 134gms, PP 3:01, 6.82p60, 2.23p1/60 ---- PK 1:30

So Buff played much bigger minutes than the other two, but it was the Mo-Jake pair that was used as the actual shutdown pairing, and the top PK pairing.....and they were very good in that role, even with very tough competition. Both were actually pretty good offensively, too, and not all that far behind Byfuglien tbh.

None of them fared too well on the PP, which is probably a team thing, but there's no getting around the fact that Jake was the worst at it, by a good margin. It seems to just not be his thing.

All and all looking at all the numbers I think Trouba was the #1 dman on the Jets, and slightly better than Mo and Buff.....but all three were pretty close I think. And yeah Jake is well worth $8m as a guy who excels in elite usage matchups at even strength, offensively and defensively.

I think the Rags did very well here. This is the first good dman signing they've had since adding McDonagh....and I think he's probably better than McDonagh was. But after so many years of hilarious overpays for guys like Shatt an Smith, it's nice to see the rangers smarten up.

 

[BPD]

I really like trouba, and think he's been underrated due to just not being very good on the PP for whatever reason.

Last 2yrs:

Trouba: 160gms, ES 17:56 (A qoc), .98p/60, .63p1/60, +0.7cfrel, +2.7xgfrel
Morrissey: 162gms, ES 17:26 (A qoc), .89p/60, .51p1/60, +0.0cfrel, +2.2xgfrel
Byfuglien: 134gms, ES 19:28 (B+ qoc), 1.06p/60, .64p1/60, +1.7cfrel, +1.5xgfrel

Trouba: 160gms, PP 1:37, 4.41p/60, 1.63p1/60 ------ PK 2:23
Morrissey: 162gms, PP 0:48, 5.09p/60, 1.85p1/60 --- PK 2:26
Byfuglien: 134gms, PP 3:01, 6.82p60, 2.23p1/60 ---- PK 1:30

So Buff played much bigger minutes than the other two, but it was the Mo-Jake pair that was used as the actual shutdown pairing, and the top PK pairing.....and they were very good in that role, even with very tough competition. Both were actually pretty good offensively, too, and not all that far behind Byfuglien tbh.

None of them fared too well on the PP, which is probably a team thing, but there's no getting around the fact that Jake was the worst at it, by a good margin. It seems to just not be his thing.

All and all looking at all the numbers I think Trouba was the #1 dman on the Jets, and slightly better than Mo and Buff.....but all three were pretty close I think. And yeah Jake is well worth $8m as a guy who excels in elite usage matchups at even strength, offensively and defensively.

I think the Rags did very well here. This is the first good dman signing they've had since adding McDonagh....and I think he's probably better than McDonagh was. But after so many years of hilarious overpays for guys like Shatt an Smith, it's nice to see the rangers smarten up.

#youdidthemath

Didn't watch much of the Jets but I have to imagine Trouba was the QB for half the PP with Laine, Wheeler, Schiefele, and Big Buff? Looks like Buff just stayed out the whole time whereas Trouba got off the ice for Morrissey at some juncture during most PPs. Is that about right?

 

[Trojien]

I really like trouba, and think he's been underrated due to just not being very good on the PP for whatever reason.

Last 2yrs:

Trouba: 160gms, ES 17:56 (A qoc), .98p/60, .63p1/60, +0.7cfrel, +2.7xgfrel
Morrissey: 162gms, ES 17:26 (A qoc), .89p/60, .51p1/60, +0.0cfrel, +2.2xgfrel
Byfuglien: 134gms, ES 19:28 (B+ qoc), 1.06p/60, .64p1/60, +1.7cfrel, +1.5xgfrel

Trouba: 160gms, PP 1:37, 4.41p/60, 1.63p1/60 ------ PK 2:23
Morrissey: 162gms, PP 0:48, 5.09p/60, 1.85p1/60 --- PK 2:26
Byfuglien: 134gms, PP 3:01, 6.82p60, 2.23p1/60 ---- PK 1:30

So Buff played much bigger minutes than the other two, but it was the Mo-Jake pair that was used as the actual shutdown pairing, and the top PK pairing.....and they were very good in that role, even with very tough competition. Both were actually pretty good offensively, too, and not all that far behind Byfuglien tbh.

None of them fared too well on the PP, which is probably a team thing, but there's no getting around the fact that Jake was the worst at it, by a good margin. It seems to just not be his thing.

All and all looking at all the numbers I think Trouba was the #1 dman on the Jets, and slightly better than Mo and Buff.....but all three were pretty close I think. And yeah Jake is well worth $8m as a guy who excels in elite usage matchups at even strength, offensively and defensively.

I think the Rags did very well here. This is the first good dman signing they've had since adding McDonagh....and I think he's probably better than McDonagh was. But after so many years of hilarious overpays for guys like Shatt an Smith, it's nice to see the rangers smarten up.

Well I wouldn't give the Rags too much credit, since Trouba literally threw himself into their arms.

 

[DRW204]

#youdidthemath

Didn't watch much of the Jets but I have to imagine Trouba was the QB for half the PP with Laine, Wheeler, Schiefele, and Big Buff? Looks like Buff just stayed out the whole time whereas Trouba got off the ice for Morrissey at some juncture during most PPs. Is that about right?

No, Buff dominated PP1 minutes. the set up was Laine-Scheif-Wheeler-Connor-Buff. PP1 took up roughly 1:30-1:45/2mins of the PP

when Buff got hurt Trouba eventually got the PP1 role (Myers/Morrissey had looks - Morrissey got hurt though then Trouba took it).

a mishmash of Myers/Trouba/Morrissey are the usual PP2 Dmen

 

[BPD]

No, Buff dominated PP1 minutes. the set up was Laine-Scheif-Wheeler-Connor-Buff

when Buff got hurt Trouba eventually got the PP1 role (Myers/Morrissey had looks - Morrissey got hurt though then Trouba took it).

a mishmash of Myers/Trouba/Morrissey are the usual PP2 Dmen

So this would really be the first time Trouba has real, true PP1 time?

Interesting to see how that goes. He's got some real good passers out there with him too.

 

[DRW204]

So this would really be the first time Trouba has real, true PP1 time?

Interesting to see how that goes. He's got some real good passers out there with him too.

yes. a RD is optimal on the Jets PP in order to quickly feed the one-t pass to Laine. Wheeler is the one that QBs the PP though, he's the one usually feeding cross-ice Laine on the left dot or Scheifele in the slot

 

[Digitalbooya]

Trouba is a much better player than Dumba.
Trouba plays against the other team’s top players Dumba doesn’t
Trouba is excellent defensively Dumba is erratic defensively
Trouba was more productive 5v5
Trouba is better on the PK
Dumba may be a little better on a the PP but that’s mostly driven by an elevated and unsustainable sh% last year.

Try again. Maybe next time you’ll do better research.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Maybe group your stuff together? There was no need for 5 post in a row. Especially where none of your responses contributed to anything.



If that's all we get from him, for most of his contract, I'll be quite happy. If he ends up being a #2/#3 for the duration of his contract, the 8 million is well worth it going forward. Trouba had a unique situation - 1 year away from UFA status.

People look at RFA VS UFA money. 1) That's changing with the current RFA contracts. 2) There was only 1 year of RFA status left. If we let this play out through arbitration, we keep Trouba paid less for this year and then have to negotiate through-out the year or trade him at the deadline. He would most likely want to listen to UFA offers if he starts the season as an expiring contract.

What are you talking about, his posts contributed to the discussion perfectly fine. He addressed different issues with different posts and it was 3 posts. 5 would have been a bit much and he should prob group it all in one but it's no big deal. I see people do it all the time as they catch up in long threads. It just looks like you didn't like his point so you looked for every reason to complain.

Edit: Thought he was talking about Iomiller's 3 posts in a row right before his post. My bad

 

[Digitalbooya]

$8 million for a #1 D is better value than $6 million for a second pair D.

Lmao. I don't even know what to say... Like jeez dude, need to get better at evaluating talent.

 

[BPD]

yes. a RD is optimal on the Jets PP in order to quickly feed the one-t pass to Laine. Wheeler is the one that QBs the PP though, he's the one usually feeding cross-ice Laine on the left dot or Scheifele in the slot

Makes total sense; thanks!

Should be interesting to see how Trouba handles the increased role.

 

[Anzi]

Makes total sense; thanks!

Should be interesting to see how Trouba handles the increased role.

I don't know for sure if Trouba will get increased PP time. DeAngelo was elite offensively last season (significantly better than Trouba by many metrics) and we also have Fox who is expected to be great at quarterbacking the PP.

 

[BPD]

I don't know for sure if Trouba will get increased PP time. DeAngelo was elite offensively last season (significantly better than Trouba by many metrics) and we also have Fox who is expected to be great at quarterbacking the PP.

You're right, but at this point, I'm not sure ADA is a Ranger by the start of camp, and I'd be pretty miffed if Trouba's spot on the PP1 is claimed by a guy with no NHL experience.

 

[haveandare]

You're right, but at this point, I'm not sure ADA is a Ranger by the start of camp, and I'd be pretty miffed if Trouba's spot on the PP1 is claimed by a guy with no NHL experience.

Why would they move ADA? He was a huge part of the Stepan return and has improved a ton since then. We’re also not flush with defensive depth that’s actually any good. Moving him would be a tremendous mistake imo.

 

[nags]

Trouba carried Nathan Beaulieu to top pairing min the second half of the season. I guess we’ll see if Morrissey can do the same with Pionk (I’m still holding out hope Kovacevic can step in and play, his size would make him a better fit with a smallish D-man like Morrissey)

Morrissey is very good though. He handles an aggressive forecehck better than Trouba and plays a lower event game than Trouba.

Do you want to hazard a guess why that is? This is the definition of a great defenseman.

Nidermayer is the first thing I see when I watch Josh pull away from the forecheck. Very, very efficient.

 

[TGWL]

What are you talking about, his posts contributed to the discussion perfectly fine. He addressed different issues with different posts and it was 3 posts. 5 would have been a bit much and he should prob group it all in one but it's no big deal. I see people do it all the time as they catch up in long threads. It just looks like you didn't like his point so you looked for every reason to complain.

Post 390, 391, 392, 393, 394

 

[Sam Spade]

Does this contract make John Carlson underpaid?

 

[kylbaz]

So this would really be the first time Trouba has real, true PP1 time?

Interesting to see how that goes. He's got some real good passers out there with him too.

No, he had PP time in Winnipeg. Not that great, he does dumb things sometimes. But if you can set him just to shoot on the PP then it will be okay.

 

[FlyerMan]

Alrighty then, please do.
Thank you

Are you all Jets fans going to ignore my follow up post where I explain why Trouba is better?? Alrighty then.

p.s. I don't have rights to create a poll.

 

[BB88]

Seems a lot of coin for a guy who isn't necessarily a number 1 Dman. But as salaries raise over time, maybe it won't end up being as bad.

How many UFA D-men can you sign at 8M today?