Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Kamiccolo]

Again... whatever the worst case scenario is for the Stinkin Leafies, is what I am hoping for.

1) Signed for too much ($7M/season over 6 years?)
2) Traded for less than value
3) Unsigned

Which is worst case scenario?

How is 7M over 6 years too much? That's basically the Pasta contract with inflation and with the cap savings it's like 6.6 AAV. No he is not Pasta but just because one player has a good deal doesn't mean that is the value and we see that all the time with guys making more than MacKinnon or Scheif and before that Tavares.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Prediction: HF thinks that whatever deal Nylander signs is the worst deal in the history of the sport.

They're already preparing for it, calling 7m x 6 a big L for Toronto.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

You're out to lunch. This is all blowhard nonsense. Sure, the Leafs could cut off their noses to spite their face... and that accomplishes WHAT exactly? They win a game of chicken and Nylander sits home? Yay, big victory. Meanwhile the Leafs are without a young, 60 point scorer or another asset in his place. Not to mention, the message it sends to the team and young players like Matthews and Marner - "sign for what we want to pay you or we'll let you sit and rot at home." Lol, great business.

.....or they end up like Tampa, who waited until the offseason, with an asset they want, like Sergachev.

 

[BC Ben]

How is 7M over 6 years too much? That's basically the Pasta contract with inflation and with the cap savings it's like 6.6 AAV. No he is not Pasta but just because one player has a good deal doesn't mean that is the value and we see that all the time with guys making more than MacKinnon or Scheif and before that Tavares.

That was my question there... what is too much salary at this point?

 

[Just Rude]

You're out to lunch. This is all blowhard nonsense. Sure, the Leafs could cut off their noses to spite their face... and that accomplishes WHAT exactly? They win a game of chicken and Nylander sits home? Yay, big victory. Meanwhile the Leafs are without a young, 60 point scorer or another asset in his place. Not to mention, the message it sends to the team and young players like Matthews and Marner - "sign for what we want to pay you or we'll let you sit and rot at home." Lol, great business.

They're doing pretty good without him, last I checked.

What a message it sends to them team if you trade him for pennies on the dollar.

"Hold out, and we'll trade you at the last minute, even if we get bent over."

 

[RogerRoger]

The danger of that is if they don't move him this season and get bounced quickly in the playoffs ... Ouch.

I agree they should not make a bad deal before the trade deadline just to get something for him, but a deal that helps them make a run for the Cup this year that is *close* to fair? I don't see how they can refuse.

Not only if they get bounced quickly, just if they get bounced off at all. Obviously a guy like Nylander (or what he'd be traded for) would be tremendous help. It would always be a "what if".

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

The danger of that is if they don't move him this season and get bounced quickly in the playoffs ... Ouch.

That only seems like a danger to non-Leaf fans. Most of us are interested in the long term.

 

[34]

You're out to lunch. This is all blowhard nonsense. Sure, the Leafs could cut off their noses to spite their face... and that accomplishes WHAT exactly? They win a game of chicken and Nylander sits home? Yay, big victory. Meanwhile the Leafs are without a young, 60 point scorer or another asset in his place. Not to mention, the message it sends to the team and young players like Matthews and Marner - "sign for what we want to pay you or we'll let you sit and rot at home." Lol, great business.

So Toronto is obliged to trade Nylander for garbage to make all the Leaf haters on here happy. That is blowhard delusional thinking. It is so funny too see all the Toronto haters on here praying for a Hall for Larsson type of armed robbery for Nylander.

It is not going to happen. The offers on here for Nylander are f***ing comical. . Save it...it is not going to happen.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread, but what's the latest news from a credible source predicting what's going to happen? Is a deal expected to get done?

 

[Dog]

Nylander+Gardiner+ for Frost and Ghost+

 

[RogerRoger]

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread, but what's the latest news from a credible source predicting what's going to happen? Is a deal expected to get done?

There's no news.

 

[34]

Nylander+Gardiner+1st for Frost and Ghost

Toronto adds Tavares to make it fair for the Flyers.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread, but what's the latest news from a credible source predicting what's going to happen? Is a deal expected to get done?

Credible is an iffy word, but a Redditer who broke the Leafs signing Ennis said they have a verbal agreement for 6 years at 7 AAV and that this is almost over. However, the same poster also claimed JT was being named captain which didn't happen.. So not sure about their reliability. Other users claim this user was giving updates in PM up to 24 hours before the media reported them too (I.E the 300K apart stuff)

Still interesting news though.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread, but what's the latest news from a credible source predicting what's going to happen? Is a deal expected to get done?

not a lot from credible sources beyond "there's a range of possible outcomes and we don't know which it will be"

There's a redditor that broke the Tyler Ennis signing early that said today that there's a verbal agreement for 6 years at $7M per (which puts Nylanders cap hit for years 2-6 in the $6.7M range) and that the saga will be over soon. There's another redditor who's friend sent him a pic of the MLSE private plane on the runway at Pearson heading somewhere (the pic was included in the post)

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Credible is an iffy word, but a Redditer who broke the Leafs signing Ennis said they have a verbal agreement for 6 years at 7 AAV and that this is almost over. However, the same poster also claimed JT was being named captain which didn't happen.. So not sure about their reliability.

Still interesting news though.

That wouldn't be great. I am going to choose not to believe a random redditor about us signing Nylander to an ehhh deal.

 

[7even]

Ok, and the Leafs wouldn't be interested in Morgan Frost, who is scoring as much as Nylander was at the same level - cash-controlled and cheap? Plus a 6-5, 200 pound RH defenseman who can skate and create offense like Myers? For a kid who is still sitting on November 30th?

Using logic, don't you think if some team was offering a stud, established defensemen with a reasonable cap hit, the deal would have been done by now? Dubas would have jumped on that kind of offer, but those players are rarely available.

I don't think it's a commentary on Frost or Myers, Toronto would probably just much rather have roster players, considering the state of the franchise.

 

[Dog]

Toronto adds Tavares to make it fair for the Flyers.

Okay, how about Nylander + Zaitsev + 2nd for Ghost and Frost

 

[7even]

That wouldn't be great. I am going to choose not to believe a random redditor about us signing Nylander to an ehhh deal.

7m AAV would actually be like ~6.7m in years 2 through 6. That's very reasonable.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

By this argument he should take the league min over nothing...

No that's you creating an argument that no one ever made.

Your statement is true if we talk about similar amounts, but for a rich kid 15 mils in hand tomorrow is definitely worth more than 10 mils in hand today...

How are we arriving at a $5 M difference?

As for the last comment, about taking cash upfront, it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.... Again, I never said that this is how they will write the contract, I only evaluated the actual value of each year.... If the average of six numbers is 6.67, it doesn't mean that each number is equal to 6.67...

When we are talking about foregoing an entire season, we very much are talking foregoing cash up front.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

They're already preparing for it, calling 7m x 6 a big L for Toronto.

Lol true. It would turn into around 6.5 cap hit or so for years after this one which would be nice. Both sides have got to get it done, makes no sense for sitting the season imo

 

[FalcorMulch]

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread, but what's the latest news from a credible source predicting what's going to happen? Is a deal expected to get done?

Best we've got lately is a Redditor who broke the Ennis signing claiming a verbal agreement is done. He was getting blown up on twitter so he deleted his account for the safety of his source. Obviously that raises some questions but nothing in his history suggested he was a troll.

Other than that not much news. We heard earlier this week that they're withing ~$300k and that the preference is still to sign him long term.

 

[DekeyPete]

Sounds like you're more of an anti-fan of the Leafs then you are a fan of the Canucks. Pretty classic west coast obsession with Toronto.

Well, to be fair, when it is driven down your throat on every sports channel 24/7 and you grew up being forced to watch them every saturday night regardless of who was playing, you can start to sense some of our plight.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

7 mil? Not too bad tbh. Could use an extra year or two on the contract if that is what its going to be.

 

[Jamin]

That wouldn't be great. I am going to choose not to believe a random redditor about us signing Nylander to an ehhh deal.

If 7 is an overpay what were you guys expecting him to sign for?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Nylander for Svechnikov