Confirmed with Link: Nylander Re-signs: 6 Year x $6.9 AAV Part II

[Not My Tempo]

What do you guys mean by PPG? I thought stood for power play goal.

Point per game

 

[SprDaVE]

What do you guys mean by PPG? I thought stood for power play goal.

Point per game.

 

[Liminality]

What do you guys mean by PPG? I thought stood for power play goal.

Points per game, although I'm sure he'll get a couple of powerplay goals too.

 

[thewave]

One of the consequences of employing the holdout strategy to squeeze out more money is that Nylander has really put pressure on himself to perform in particular in the playoffs .

Rightly ,or wrongly a lot of fans did not like the fact that Nylander held out and didn’t play the first 20 games .

I’ve got to imagine that these fans will be particularly unforgiving if Willy pulls a disappearing act in the playoffs again . He will be roasted by fans and media alike if this happens .
A much higher salary brings with it much higher performance expectations .

It was a complete crapshow and it should have been ironed out in the summer. Dubas simply should have said 6.5 x 6, the Ehlers amount adjusted and it won't change a penny if you hold out or not even if you sit. That's what should have happened.

#sellyourNylanderMerch

 

[ULF_55]

That is a great contract they came up with.

Nylander's deal is so team friendly starting July 2nd. 2019.

Nylander got an extra $300k, and that bodes well for the next round. Marner and Matthews can get an extra $300k, and all the Leafs need do if find $1 million from amongst the other 20 players they put in the line-up.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Okay so what’s PP2 going to look like?

Marleau
Kapanen - Johnsson - Nylander
Gardiner

?

 

[Mess]

Yeah Dubas said Nylander camp waited until the very last hour. they probably got desperate and called lol

2 Weeks ago on HNIC the panel said Nylander's camp was believed to be a shade under $7 mil in the 6.9ish range while the Leafs were about $500k apart at present putting them at $6.5 mil tops, and not yet willing to go to the Pastrnak deal as an official offer.

Pierre Lebrun tweeted last night Leafs managements position heading towards the dealine hour.


It looks like Gross and Nylander dug their heels in and Leafs had their FINAL and best offer weeks earlier, and Dubas/Shanny caved to their demands as the clock ticked down based on the final number of $6.96 mil being the same as the one reported earlier.

Nylander's side called the Leafs bluff and won.. They were holding all the cards so it wasn't unexpected that Leafs management eventually would accept that offer or close to it.

 

[Pookie]

Dubas had only to do one thing... Tell Nylander he was worth Ehlers money on a comparable team and let the 6.5m x 6y offer sit there from the start with no movement even if it means him sitting. That's all he had to do and he buckled, he caved. He overpaid, thankfully in a way that a team like Carolina will see EXTREME EXTRA VALUE in.

Dubas signed a high end deal within the range for players of this type.

Shanahan made everyone think that they needed a less than elsewhere type deal. I’m not sure why he felt this was a good thing to say publicly.

The Lamoplan didn’t have free reign with Marleau. And the Dubaplan didn’t make it up on the fly with Nylander. There’s either a Shanaplan or there isn’t.

If there is an extreme overpay that will hurt this team next year it’s Marleau. A short sighted deal that Shanahan absolutely approved of.

He tried to fix his mistake on the back of a Rookie. Didn’t work.

Hopefully he shuts up when it comes to Marner, Matthews and Rielly.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Gotta assume he's lost endorsement opportunities over this too? I mean if youre a major company looking for a member of the Leafs you have quite a few options.....why risk taking on a guy that a portion of the fan base may be not the happiest with. Wonder if he stays long term with reebok.

 

[NiL8r87]

2 Weeks ago on HNIC they panel said Nylander's camp was believed to be a shade under $7 mil in the 6.9ish range while the Leafs were about $500k apart at present putting them at $6.5 mil tops, and not yet willing to go to the Pastrnak deal as an official offer.

It looks like Gross and Nylander dug their heels in and Leafs had their FINAL and best offer weeks earlier, and Dubas/Shanny caved to their demands as the clock ticked down based on the final number of $6.96 mil being the same as the one reported earlier.

Nylander's side called the Leafs bluff and won.. They were holding all the cards so it wasn't unexpected that Leafs management eventually would accept that offer or close to it.

Dubas got a big win by getting no NTC until the last year I think. That definitely couldve been a sticking point if Nylander was concerned about being traded as was rumored.

 

[Liminality]

Okay so what’s PP2 going to look like?

Marleau
Kapanen - Johnsson - Nylander
Gardiner

?

Hopefully that's what it looks like, that's still a decent powerplay unit if the first one doesn't succeed.

 

[Liminality]

Dubas got a big win by getting no NTC until the last year I think. That definitely couldve been a sticking point if Nylander was concerned about being traded as was rumored.

I don't think Nylander was allowed to get a NTC until that final year.

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas had only to do one thing... Tell Nylander he was worth Ehlers money on a comparable team and let the 6.5m x 6y offer sit there from the start with no movement even if it means him sitting. That's all he had to do and he buckled, he caved. He overpaid, thankfully in a way that a team like Carolina will see EXTREME EXTRA VALUE in.

You don't know who decided to cave. It could have been the board decided that they were better off overpaying rather than having him sit. The pressure of going all in this year probably had something to do with it. We got Willie for at least this year's run. Think of it as a Christmas gift from MLSE to all Leaf fans. We are in for some real exciting hockey.

 

[Jackson14]

It was a complete crapshow and it should have been ironed out in the summer. Dubas simply should have said 6.5 x 6, the Ehlers amount adjusted and it won't change a penny if you hold out or not even if you sit. That's what should have happened.

#sellyourNylanderMerch

If only it was as easy as writing a post on a forum...

 

[thewave]

Dubas signed a high end deal within the range for players of this type.

Shanahan made everyone think that they needed a less than elsewhere type deal. I’m not sure why he felt this was a good thing to say publicly.

The Lamoplan didn’t have free reign with Marleau. And the Dubaplan didn’t make it up on the fly with Nylander. There’s either a Shanaplan or there isn’t.

If there is an extreme overpay that will hurt this team next year it’s Marleau. A short sighted deal that Shanahan absolutely approved of.

He tried to fix his mistake on the back of a Rookie. Didn’t work.

Hopefully he shuts up when it comes to Marner, Matthews and Rielly.

I see your take (spin) and I think it's pretty close to reality here.

Dubas should never have said Long term deals for all. STUPID NEGOTIATION TACTIC. High order dumb right there, like his exaggerated smile suggests. I think Shanahan should have kept his mouth shut as well, completely out of line saying that. Lou would never say these things because he is a smart enough negotiator to understand ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN NEGOTIATIONS. The Marleau deal made sense to them at the time, trying to develop Matthews, not sure it actually did much of anything but enter a good father figure into the room. Yes they tried to correct mistakes but not really, the 6.5m on the table was actually fair, the 7m is overpay. We'll see how this pans out for the others.

 

[Pookie]

Dubas got a big win by getting no NTC until the last year I think. That definitely couldve been a sticking point if Nylander was concerned about being traded as was rumored.

You can’t give a NTC until a player hits the age minimum.

 

[thewave]

You don't know who decided to cave. It could have been the board decided that they were better off overpaying rather than having him sit. The pressure of going all in this year probably had something to do with it. We got Willie for at least this year's run. Think of it as a Christmas gift from MLSE to all Leaf fans. We are in for some real exciting hockey.

That's true, it could be the board. Larry T has made all kinds of these exec decisions for the Leafs reportedly in the past. I am sure some of Burkes mistakes are on that very active owner/board member. Yes we have him for this year and he had better be brilliant and I mean that. He had better be the best version of himself we have ever seen.

 

[ToneDog]

Gotta assume he's lost endorsement opportunities over this too? I mean if youre a major company looking for a member of the Leafs you have quite a few options.....why risk taking on a guy that a portion of the fan base may be not the happiest with. Wonder if he stays long term with reebok.

It was nice growing up as a Leaf fan when there was no talk of salaries (it was all game and not business) and fans simply judged players by their play on the ice. Now we have a great young player in Nylander and fans will judge him by his salary and this negotiation as well as his play. Let's hope he can get off to a quick start and win all his fans back.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Whether or not Dubas caved (I think in the end he moved up to Nylander's number as opposed to Nylander moving down to the Leafs), he had to do it. There's absolutely no way he should have let such a small amount mean the difference between Nylander signing and him sitting out the entire season.

A lot of people suggested Dubas let him just sit the year. Prove a point. Show who's the boss. Don't get pushed around. Be the big winner by not letting a "punk" dictate things. I'm sorry, if he did that, Dubas would have been by far the biggest loser of it all and it'd have left a huge black mark on his resume early in his career. It would have meant he was unable to sign one of his best players, meaning he wouldn't play single game for an entire season for his team when the team is primed for a Cup run, and he didn't even get anything for him in a trade if the relationship was not going to be mended. Just let Nylander sit at home in Sweden or see him play elsewhere besides the Maple Leaf blue and white. Ridiculous.

Glad both sides came to their senses and got this done. All will be forgotten once he scores his first point off a beautiful play. And he'll once again prove why he is an absolute stud of a talent and not some guy that a player like Kapanen can replace.

 

[SweLeafsFan]

You guys figured out what plane Nylander is on yet? Didn't they say he was coming to Toronto today?

 

[Buds17]

This whole “player holding out” issue can be resolved by lowering RFA compensation. It might be a little too many future assets for a cap league.

Lower RFA compensation just makes it more likely that a team will match IMO. The onus then moves to the offering team to structure the contract in such a way that the recipient team essentially can't match. Think it solves the player holding out issue, but it might lead to RFA contracts increasing that much more. That could pose a bigger problem.

 

[SprDaVE]

2 Weeks ago on HNIC they panel said Nylander's camp was believed to be a shade under $7 mil in the 6.9ish range while the Leafs were about $500k apart at present putting them at $6.5 mil tops, and not yet willing to go to the Pastrnak deal as an official offer.

Pierre Lebrun tweeted last night Leafs managements position heading towards the dealine hour.


It looks like Gross and Nylander dug their heels in and Leafs had their FINAL and best offer weeks earlier, and Dubas/Shanny caved to their demands as the clock ticked down based on the final number of $6.96 mil being the same as the one reported earlier.

Nylander's side called the Leafs bluff and won.. They were holding all the cards so it wasn't unexpected that Leafs management eventually would accept that offer or close to it.

They split the middle basically. Nylander camp were at 8m plus.

So if you want to know who won, everybody did in a way. They split the difference.

If Nylander would have started at 7m, this deal doesn't take 2 months.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

You can’t give a NTC until a player hits the age minimum.

It’s UFA years, I believe. Not age based. There are ways to become UFA earlier, such as not being qualified as an RFA, albeit that is fairly rare.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Lower RFA compensation just makes it more likely that a team will match IMO. The onus then moves to the offering team to structure the contract in such a way that the recipient team essentially can't match. Think it solves the player holding out issue, but it might lead to RFA contracts increasing that much more. That could pose a bigger problem.

Absolutely, RFA contracts will increase proportionately, which means they are probably increasing to a more fair market value to their worth without holding out until Dec 1 to get it.

 

[ToneDog]

They split the middle basically. Nylander camp were at 8m plus.

So if you want to know who won, everybody did in a way. They split the difference.

If Nylander would have started at 7m, this deal doesn't take 2 months.

Would be interesting to know if Nylander accepts 6x$7M in the summer. If he would have he basically got paid for sitting out three months.