Gosh, it eould be nice if any of the posts the last umpteen amount of pages had anything to do with contract updates of Theodore and Nylander. You know, like it says on the thread title.
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Nylander and Theodore updates
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The List Of Jericho
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Last I checked 12 in a league of 31 is pretty good. Great post bud lol
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You basically said I sugar coated my post and agreed with the JetsHomer so ya that was the inference on your part.
The List Of Jericho
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The Western teams play a different style of game mostly, the best team in the East last year points wise gave up more goals than the Leafs as did the Stanley Cup champions...fact.
Are you trying to say that the Western teams play more defensively, thus allowing fewer goals ?
If so, you're wrong.
The Western teams scored an average of 244 goals per team last season.
The Eastern teams scored an average of 242.25 goals per team last season.
Fact.
nhlfan9191
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The bottom feeder East teams had some putrid offensive numbers to bring down the averages.
The List Of Jericho
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Show me the defensive stats......let's see if your narrative works there. Here I did it for ya....
9 of the top 10 teams in terms of GA came from the West, only team that cracked that was the Bruins. 10 of 12...guess who was the next East team.....the Leafs.
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You still don't get it.
If they were playing a more defensive style, wouldn't you expect them to score less goals ?
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Not particularly, ever hear the saying, solid defence transitions into offense? I did the numbers for ya in my edited post. Snoop around...
Critical13
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Thank you @beauchamp and @JetsHomer for making this thread completely pointless with you never ending arguments and instigating.
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I don't get this whole dispute and stand-off, really. I mean, let's use some logic here... the only window we are looking at is 6-8 per for Nylander. Everyone on earth knows he's at the very least worth 6 mil a pop, and the opposite extreme is that he is worth 8, considering Draisaitl signed for 8.5 a while ago.
So, if we assume there is a 2 million "grey area" (between 6-8), how hard is it for the two sides to sit down and say, "fine, let's meet in the middle and settle on 7?"
There's no way the Leafs should realistically expect to get him for 6 and there's no way Nylander should realistically expect 8. So, this entire delay, dog-and-pony show, for what?? So the Leafs could grind him down to 6.75 instead of 7? Is it really worth the drama, speculation, hard feelings and watching Nylander miss valuable camp/preseason time over $250k-$500k?
The Leafs sure had no problem pulling out all the stops to "wow" Tavares. Take care of your own kid now. If both parties want Nylander to stay in Toronto for a long time, I can't believe this is dragging on this long. Not to mention the posturing by the Leafs (we have a solution in Ennis, and a long-term solution in SDA, etc.) Showcasing and signing "similar players" is theater being used by the Leafs IMO to send the hint that Nylander can be replaced.
These contract standoffs are an unfortunate part of the business. I just don't think it should take this long to come to terms with a young player whom you consider an integral part of your elite core.
So, if we assume there is a 2 million "grey area" (between 6-8), how hard is it for the two sides to sit down and say, "fine, let's meet in the middle and settle on 7?"
There's no way the Leafs should realistically expect to get him for 6 and there's no way Nylander should realistically expect 8. So, this entire delay, dog-and-pony show, for what?? So the Leafs could grind him down to 6.75 instead of 7? Is it really worth the drama, speculation, hard feelings and watching Nylander miss valuable camp/preseason time over $250k-$500k?
The Leafs sure had no problem pulling out all the stops to "wow" Tavares. Take care of your own kid now. If both parties want Nylander to stay in Toronto for a long time, I can't believe this is dragging on this long. Not to mention the posturing by the Leafs (we have a solution in Ennis, and a long-term solution in SDA, etc.) Showcasing and signing "similar players" is theater being used by the Leafs IMO to send the hint that Nylander can be replaced.
These contract standoffs are an unfortunate part of the business. I just don't think it should take this long to come to terms with a young player whom you consider an integral part of your elite core.
I wouldnt be surprised if nylander was traded in a couple of days. i doubt the leafs would want this to carry into the season.
I think the term is the sticking point. Nylander probably wants a one or two-year bridge deal where as Toronto wants to lock up him for 5+ years.
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I don't think he wants to sign a long-term deal until Matthews signs his. Same with Marner, and I think he'll be holding out, too, next offseason.
TheDoldrums
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what in the world...
They're not similar players, if anything they're both much more like Marner. Unless by similar you meant "skilled" in which case, yeah the team values those type of guys.
What exactly are they supposed to do? They have to play someone on the Matthews line. If anything Ennis is clearly an emergency fill-in, he's a LW making the minimum playing on Matthews RW. Putting someone like Kapanen there would seem to be more threatening as a long-term answer.
Every team "showcases" their prospects by playing them in exhibitions. They're not doing anything different from any other team with a holdout. If it seems like "theatre" it's only because they have the largest spotlight on a team that everyone is fascinated by, cultivating a captive audience that can invent dramatics from the mundane.
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Exactly. Both parties want a long-term deal. The sticking point is money. Leafs are pointing to Ehlers' 6 mil deal (who signed previously) and Nylander is looking at Draisaitl's 8.5. So, meet in the damn middle and call it a day. The Bruins, Avs, Oil, Jets didn't seem to have these problems with Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Draisaitl and Ehlers. If Nylander is a core piece, you don't play around.
These whole contract "negotiations" are silly anyway. I mean, come on, you can buy a freaking house in 24 hours and it's taking the Leafs and Nylander all this time to agree on a "fair" contract? The posturing and drama that goes on with these is a joke quite honestly.
I agree. Matthews will be locked up for certain early. Marner may be tough, I expect a hold-out for sure. I'm guessing he's gonna want around 8-10mil and the Leafs will proabably want him around 7.5.
TheDoldrums
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The drama of playing their recent draft pick in a preseason game...do the Leafs have no shame?
Kucherov, Ristolainen, Ellis and Gaudreau all signed in October as RFA's. Gaudreau even has the same agent, hmm. I guess they're not core pieces to their teams. Why would these teams negotiate instead of just accepting their players demands like the Oilers did with Draisatl? It's a mystery.
Critical13
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I can’t imagien why he would. Bridge deals carry a lot of risk for the players. I imagine he wants 8 years, or 6 minimum.
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6.75 x 7
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| Hyman | 2.25 | Tavares | 11 | Marner | 7 |
| Engvall | 0.925 | Matthews | 11 | Nylander | 6.75 |
| Johnsson | 1.75 | Kadri | 4.5 | Kapanen | 1.75 |
| Leivo | 1.1 | Lindholm | 1.25 | Brown | 2.1 |
| Grundstrom | 0.925 | ||||
| Rielly | 5 | Karlsson | 11 | ||
| Dermott | 0.864 | Liljegren | 0.895 | ||
| Rosen | 2 | Ozhiganov | 1.3 | ||
| Borgman | 1.3 | Holl | 0.675 | ||
| Andersen | 5 | ||||
| Pickard | 1 | ||||
| Kessel | 1.2 |
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