Friedman: Nylander and Theodore updates

[The Hanging Jowl]

So the Leafs could grind him down to 6.75 instead of 7? Is it really worth the drama, speculation, hard feelings and watching Nylander miss valuable camp/preseason time over $250k-$500k?

In my opinion, yes. They still have two big fish on the line that they still have to get in the boat. If they hold firm on their number, if I'm Marner's agent, I come to the table next summer with *very* realistic expectations.

And Tavares is a totally different situation, he was holding all of the cards.Leafs hold all the cards in this situation.

 

[Rob Brown]

I don't know what you are trying to say but toronto was Favored to win. But Bergeron's line Dominated your First line completly.

The Leafs were not favourites to win the series.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't know what you are trying to say but toronto was Favored to win. But Bergeron's line Dominated your First line completly.

The Leafs were in no way favoured to win that series at any point during it except maybe 2nd intermission game 7.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

The Leafs were in no way favoured to win that series at any point during it except maybe 2nd intermission game 7.

Yes, if you looked the Odds at the start of the Serie, they were favored by a small margin

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Topic: Nylander and Theodore Updates

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Ok, fair enough.

A bridge deal might be the solution. Obviously that's what happened with Morrissey/Nurse when negotiations on a long-term deal weren't working.

Long-term deal is ideal for the Leafs, but a bridge deal is still fine.

If a bridge deal is the solution for the current situation, you have to wonder about future contracts. How easy or hard will future contracts be? And, what will the relationship and mood be like when Nylander gets to his UFA deal assuming it gets that far?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Avery, and brodeur both made the nhl change rules since Gretzky was retired .

Technically, Brodeur was part of the reason for both rule changes.

 

[Critical13]

Who are the comparables for Theodore?

 

[Paralyzer]

6.75 x 7

Hyman	2.25	Tavares	11	Marner	7
Engvall	0.925	Matthews	11	Nylander	6.75
Johnsson	1.75	Kadri	4.5	Kapanen	1.75
Leivo	1.1	Lindholm	1.25	Brown	2.1
Grundstrom	0.925
Rielly	5	Karlsson	11
Dermott	0.864	Liljegren	0.895
Rosen	2	Ozhiganov	1.3
Borgman	1.3	Holl	0.675
Andersen	5
Pickard	1
Kessel	1.2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Uhh, so you 'dumped' Zaitsev to who exactly? and that defence...even with Karlsson and Reilly there, cannot cover up the fact they are still Bottom 10 in the league. If Ottawa's defence with Karlsson is bottom 10 still, Toronto's would be just a smidge higher than Ottawa defense-wise. And this is assuming the cap goes up 3M more in the next 2 years. Not very realistic IMO.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Do Leafs Fans really believe that their whole LW are worth in Total 6M ?
what will happen when the whole league will understand to shutdown your middle and right side ? your left side is a joke.

That’s how a team with multiple franchise centers do it like PIT; have one good winger and an entry level winger.

 

[A1LeafNation]

If Marner has anything over 65 points next season he will and should get 8+ if he signs for 8 years. Cap is going up and signing for 8 years buys a lot of UFA years. Same goes for Nylander in terms of signing for 8 years, fully understand if he wants 7+ if he signs an eight year deal.
The price goes up for every UFA year they sign for. Might actually be smart to sign them both to a little shorter contracts to keep the cap hit down a little and make it easier to contend in the next 4-6 years. Will hurt them in 6 years when they need new contracts but a lot can change in 6 years

And if he gets 60 point again?

He was on the third line previously, now his line will be the main focus of teams. It’s not guaranteed he will reach 70+.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Uhh, so you 'dumped' Zaitsev to who exactly? and that defence...even with Karlsson and Reilly there, cannot cover up the fact they are still Bottom 10 in the league. If Ottawa's defence with Karlsson is bottom 10 still, Toronto's would be just a smidge higher than Ottawa defense-wise. And this is assuming the cap goes up 3M more in the next 2 years. Not very realistic IMO.

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

 

[JetsHomer]

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

Oh damn he scored 35 points? It’s ok that’s he’s awful defensively then

 

[TS Quint]

Yes, both Rielly and Gardiner put up 50+ points this year. Those are extremely strong offensive numbers. If you had actually watched the playoffs, you would know that the Leafs were abused on the right side, where everyone is aware our d-men on that side are not stellar.

You're crazy if you think that teams are going to be able to shut down that depth in the middle/right-wing. Absolutely nuts. Teams had trouble shutting the Leafs down last year, and that was without adding a top-10 center. The issue is too many folks watched a total of 7 games of the Leafs last year where they played one of the strongest and hottest teams in the league beat the Leafs in 7 games - and they assume that they have the Leafs figured out.

By the time it’s all said and done in the off-season the Leafs were at net zero. They still have very good offense with very bad defense.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

What does the Leaf's defense and improvements from last season have to do with Nylander and Theodore's contracts?

 

[Confucius]

If a bridge deal is the solution for the current situation, you have to wonder about future contracts. How easy or hard will future contracts be? And, what will the relationship and mood be like when Nylander gets to his UFA deal assuming it gets that far?

We can’t be too concerned about Willie 5 years from now. We have a 5 year window anyway. Is Willie worried about us now?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Yes, if you looked the Odds at the start of the Serie, they were favored by a small margin

Betting odds are based on what will make the odds makers money....so obviously the Leafs aren't going to be dogs on the books because then Leaf fans will flood them. That's not how they make money and that is all they are in it for.

 

[Paralyzer]

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

Are you serious? He had 13 points last year. He has to improve this year to even be looked at as an 'asset'. So good luck dumping him if he doesn't improve this year.

 

[howkie]

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

Judging what some Leaf fans are prepared to pay for a "top-4 RHD" that earns around 4,5 mil, no demand at all. They are worth scraps.

 

[howkie]

6.75 x 7

Hyman	2.25	Tavares	11	Marner	7
Engvall	0.925	Matthews	11	Nylander	6.75
Johnsson	1.75	Kadri	4.5	Kapanen	1.75
Leivo	1.1	Lindholm	1.25	Brown	2.1
Grundstrom	0.925
Rielly	5	Karlsson	11
Dermott	0.864	Liljegren	0.895
Rosen	2	Ozhiganov	1.3
Borgman	1.3	Holl	0.675
Andersen	5
Pickard	1
Kessel	1.2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Did not know Melker Karlsson could play D, or you assuming Erik Karlsson would only want 11 mil? Should he not earn a boatload of more then Tavares, since he can say: I´m the best at my position, and a carry my team to conference final, while Tavares has done nothing close to that?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Did not know Melker Karlsson could play D, or you assuming Erik Karlsson would only want 11 mil? Should he not earn a boatload of more then Tavares, since he can say: I´m the best at my position, and a carry my team to conference final, while Tavares has done nothing close to that?

why would Tavares be a comparable as opposed to Doughty? Leafs aren't getting Karlsson either way though

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

Last season magically disappeared ?

 

[Force951]

Yes, if you looked the Odds at the start of the Serie, they were favored by a small margin

If your talking vegas or betting lines you have to change how you view them when 1 team has a very large rabid fan base. Since betting odds aren't set by who they actually think will win, they are set to balance the betting between the 2 teams. So when 1 team has a much larger fan base, the line shifts towards that team a bit to try and get smart betters to balance out the homer bets.

 

[sansabri]

Are 35 point 4.5m rhd in demand? Yes.

Carrick+2nd?

 

[Notsince67]

I meant that one for him even tho I guess he was a part of the Avery hand in the goalie face rule too

The good old days