The Winter Soldier
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Not quite the same as when Calgary traded Brett Hull and won the cup. But it lessens the pain if you are a Caps fan.
tbh I would imagine the implication would not have been on signing Chara.Funny thing is I have seen some Bruins fans mention if they never traded Thornton they wouldn't have had the cap space to originally sign Chara as a UFA and maybe Bergeron doesn't become the player he is today, which means maybe they don't win in 2011.
The one thing you forgot to mention is that Savard got another concussion in January 2011, so he wasn't apart of the Bruins Stanley Cup win in 2011.nah tbh I would imagine the implication would not have been on signing Chara.
That being said, Chara was not the only big ticket UFA they signed that year. Thornton's existence would have prevented them from signing Thornton's replacement: Marc Savard.
Ok, that part I really cannot argue with. I just assumed Semin wasn't that good defensively, but I'm certainly open for that my assessment of him was wrong. I should've picked another example. I don't have that much knowledge of how Semin was a total player. Part of it has to do with his failure - for whatever reason - in Carolina.I don't think anyone is questioning Forsberg's skill set, that is all accurate, however, it also describes Semin from that time frame to a T. He was one of the Caps better defensive forwards back then, had loads of speed, and arguably one of the best releases in the league.
true. They won that cup without Thornton's replacement> Not hard to imagine that they could have won another cup or 2 if they had another C of Thornton's caliber. Not only after 2011, but they could've competed for one before 2011 tbh.The one thing you forgot to mention is that Savard got another concussion in January 2011, so he wasn't apart of the Bruins Stanley Cup win in 2011.
Ok. Here's a scout report on Filip Forsberg from thehockeynews: "Has plenty of offensive acumen, a good release and quick shot. Also displays plenty of two-way ability, speed, sound defensive instincts and the ability to make a major impact on both special teams."
Pair that with the eye test. You're out for lunch. He's very good at creating turnovers all over the ice and that's part of a defensive ability. I don't know how many times I've seen Nashville score a goal because of sound, defensive play from Forsberg to force a counterattack.
Yeah, sure, I kind of want to point blame towards the poster who claimed Forsberg is one-dimensional and that I misunderstood your original message, but I guess that's kind of cheap? As I said to the other poster, I'm totally open for that I did the same mistake as the poster I answered to. I just threw his name in there according to how I had seen him in the numerous series I watched NYR-WSH play in the playoffs.I'm not saying you're wrong about Forsberg, I'm saying you're wrong about Semin, and did exactly to him what the guy you quoted did to Forsberg.
Prime Semin was a pocket picking, unassisted goal scoring wizard who was obviously a go to for a 1st unit PP, but also an impressive PK2 option. I'll likely never find the stat to post it but I remember a season in which he created more SHGs than his team had allowed PPGs when he was on the ice, in fairly significant TOI/G. Ultimately the Capitals had other bodies to throw at that problem and decided that if you have to put somebody's hands and ankles out there on the firing line, it may not be wise to put your scoring talent out there in the front, but he was plenty capable.
The fact that he was more than just a slick set of hands was one of the reasons he was capable of turning on the "God mode" and carrying 2nd lines full of scraps and relics. The rare few times we saw Backstrom and Semin work without Ovechkin they were spectacular, and it's possible that if Ovechkin is just another good hockey player instead of one of the most prolific goal scorers of all time, he probably doesn't get/need a line and gameplan developed around him, and that pairing could have really been something full-time. But... he is, so they did, and as a result, the tasks expected of 1RW weren't exactly a good use of Semin's skills:
get the puck to Backstrom or Ovechkin
stand by the net and try not to let an Ovechkin headhunter cave your face in like a mine shaft
chase that little near-death experience into the corner
squeak the puck to Backstrom before you get mushed
fight your way back to the net for another hit of that sweet, sweet terror
call your lawyer between periods and make sure your affairs are in order
probably at some point start to wonder if that lunatic is even shooting with his eyes open
Yeah, sure, I kind of want to point blame towards the poster who claimed Forsberg is one-dimensional and that I misunderstood your original message, but I guess that's kind of cheap? As I said to the other poster, I'm totally open for that I did the same mistake as the poster I answered to. I just threw his name in there according to how I had seen him in the numerous series I watched NYR-WSH play in the playoffs.
I don't argue Semin wasn't one-dimensional either, it was a bad example. And as I said, I might also have been influenced by his time in Carolina.
Yeah, he truly sucked vs you guys this year, right?If Forsberg doesn't get traded, the Caps don't go out and get Oshie.
If the Caps don't get multi-tool, gritty, 2-way Stanley Cup hero TJ Oshie, the Caps are stuck with a one-dimensional shooter like Forsberg (a type of player they already have a lot of)....and the Caps don't win the Cup.
Not sure about Lindros, but the Forsberg trade is a ripple effect of the Scott Stevens offer sheet. One of the five first round picks Washington got for Stevens eventually became Brendan Witt, who was later traded for the first round pick that became Semyon Varlamov, who was traded for the first round pick that became Filip Forsberg.Did the Lindros trade ripple out into Washington? I have a feeling that's where this cup win really started.
In hindsight it was a good trade.