Confirmed Signing with Link: [NJD] Devils re-sign Kyle Palmieri (5 years, $4.65M AAV)

[WhatTheDuck]

He's a good player. I'm happy for him he's got a better opportunity in New Jersey than he had in Anaheim - but a big part of that is just that New Jersey is a much thinner team at forward and somebody has to score some goals. I call it the "Calder/Bell/Arnason" effect.

But he just got paid to be a perennial 30-goal man, and that's a reach.

If he does it, Devils got a great bargain.

If he goes back to being a 15/15 guy, that contract is not going to look so hot in a few years.

He produced at the same rate he did in Anaheim, and perennial 30 goal guys make a lot more than this, roughly 50% more.

 

[NJDevils17]

How could Palmieri possibly go back to being a 15/15 guy if he has always produced at the same p/60 pace but got more ice time this year and responded accordingly?

This year he'll have better linemates too.

Either people don't watch him or are just stat watching from years where his role was entirely different. His last year in Anahiem on a 82 game pace he was a 20-20 guy with 3rd line minutes. Same with 3 years ago.

How can people possibly think he's going to regress by 15 goals?

 

[Nocashstyle]

No number in my head but I certainly have a concern about a guy with a previous high of 14 goals jumping up to 30 and his ability to repeat that total again.

Are you willfully ignoring the fact that he was buried on a deep team and in a complete different conference with a different style of play? Change of scenery does wonders

 

[guitarguyvic]

These contracts are insane. 25-30 goal scorers valued like they are star quarterbacks.

The "star quarterbacks" of the nhl are making twice as much money as palmieri just got on his new contract. What the **** are you talking about?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I really think people are stuck in 2008.

The cap is 73 million folks...

 

[OmNomNom]

He's a good player. I'm happy for him he's got a better opportunity in New Jersey than he had in Anaheim - but a big part of that is just that New Jersey is a much thinner team at forward and somebody has to score some goals. I call it the "Calder/Bell/Arnason" effect.

But he just got paid to be a perennial 30-goal man, and that's a reach.

If he does it, Devils got a great bargain.

If he goes back to being a 15/15 guy, that contract is not going to look so hot in a few years.

i can't disagree with that statement. that being said, considering the lack of quality on our team, since our top line is improved, one could say that there is a good chance of him getting more opportunities to score goals.

regarding your calder/bell/arnason effect, IF palmieri was a 30g/14a type guy, then maybe his stats suffer. however, his points last season were 30g/27a, so even if he doesn't score as much, i would expect his assists to rise.

going from 30/27 to 15/15 is extreme in my opinion, and if he did drop in terms of performance, then yes, the contract will look less and less valuable, and thats a given for any player. but we'll just have to wait and see

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Great value for KP, if all goes to plan this contract is only going to look better in 3 years. However his contract after that...

 

[Foppa]

Solid fair-market deal...basically the same as Trocheck's and they are comparable as two talented younger players who blossomed offensively last year, far beyond what they had produced in the past but not out of line with their abilities and importance to their teams.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I hope at least one of you guys arguing that Palmieri is getting paid perennial 30 goal scorer money is Nikita Kucherov's agent. The cap might not kill us after all.

 

[Yog S'loth]

So 30-goal scorer money actually isn't easy to pin down, since there are so few of them... and most that hit 30 goals are bringing a lot more to the table than the goals. Can't really use Malkin as a comp, you know? Where are the Ray Shepperds of the world anymore?

Maybe it's more like the $6m to Sharp.

In that case, if Palmieri can be a 25/20 guy, you've still got good value.

 

[Tripod]

Good deal for NJ. Hope B Schenn comes as cheaply, but I have my doubts.

 

[HBK27]

He's a good player. I'm happy for him he's got a better opportunity in New Jersey than he had in Anaheim - but a big part of that is just that New Jersey is a much thinner team at forward and somebody has to score some goals. I call it the "Calder/Bell/Arnason" effect.

But he just got paid to be a perennial 30-goal man, and that's a reach.

If he does it, Devils got a great bargain.

If he goes back to being a 15/15 guy, that contract is not going to look so hot in a few years.

These two back-to-back sentences absolutely contradict each other.

 

[Sinner]

Solid deal!
Kpalm was a warrior last season, he has a great shot, good onetimer, good along the boards and isn`t afraid to get into the dirty areas and on top of that he has an awesome work ethic, very sneaky player.

[MOD]

 

[britdevil]

I hope at least one of you guys arguing that Palmieri is getting paid perennial 30 goal scorer money is Nikita Kucherov's agent. The cap might not kill us after all.

You could always trade him to us?

Shero loves a trade mate.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

He's a good player. I'm happy for him he's got a better opportunity in New Jersey than he had in Anaheim - but a big part of that is just that New Jersey is a much thinner team at forward and somebody has to score some goals. I call it the "Calder/Bell/Arnason" effect.

But he just got paid to be a perennial 30-goal man, and that's a reach.

If he does it, Devils got a great bargain.

If he goes back to being a 15/15 guy, that contract is not going to look so hot in a few years.

He's not going back to 15-15 a year. He finally got his chance not being stuck behind the guys he was in Anaheim. He'll continue getting top 6 mins and at the very least he's a 25-30 goal and 25-30 assists guy, he'll continue to get first PP unit time. If you're a ducks fan I think you're trying to justify the fact we stole him from you. It's a great deal for him and the team.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Palmieri blasting one-timers on the PP with Taylor Hall in front of the net has me drooling

 

[Combat Koala]

That's a wonderful contract, thought he would get at least 5m/per year. Doubtful about his ability to reach 30 again despite his great shot. 22-28 goals is likely a realistic scenario. We'll see. The offense looks better than it did last year so he might even have more points in '16-17.

I'm definitely not surprised about all the hate around here. It's on HF and it's a thread about something related to the Devils, was expected.

 

[Eric Sachs]

So 30-goal scorer money actually isn't easy to pin down, since there are so few of them... and most that hit 30 goals are bringing a lot more to the table than the goals. Can't really use Malkin as a comp, you know? Where are the Ray Shepperds of the world anymore?

Maybe it's more like the $6m to Sharp.

In that case, if Palmieri can be a 25/20 guy, you've still got good value.

That's the thing, he's not really being paid to hit 30 goals every year. He would be getting 6-7M if that was the case, Sharp isn't even really a good comparable as it was signed under a very different cap/CBA.

If Palmieri can hit 20 goals a season, this contract is a fair deal. His career shooting percentage and shots taken predict about 25 goals a season (and I'd argue his true shooting percentage will be a little closer to last year's as a result of more PP time = more high % chances).. so 25 goals a season would make this contract a good value.

If he hits 30 consistently, it will be a ****ing steal.

Great signing by Shero. I thought it would be between 5M-5.5M to somewhat compensate for the chances he hits 30 goals again.. so this is awesome.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Devils have a steal here.

[MOD]. Palmieri was producing at elite ES scoring rates when he was with Anaheim, but he was playing the third line and given middling PP minutes.

I wouldn't claim he's a consistent 30-goal scorer from here on out, but 25/25 is a good expectation. And $4.6MM for that with upside is a steal.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Anyone crapping on the Palmieri deal...look what Mathieu Perreault just got.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

The fact that we got a David Clarkson comparison in this thread says it all lol. Their only similarities are that they are RWs who wore a Devils jersey. Palmieri is a much better skater, carries the puck so much better, can actually pass, and has a significantly better shot.

I don't have a shred of doubt that he'll be at least a 25-25 guy.

 

[Eric Sachs]

Anyone crapping on the Palmieri deal...look what Mathieu Perreault just got.

It's not exactly comparable as Palmieri's deal is 2 years of RFA and 3 years of UFA. Perreault is all4 years of UFA.

But still, Perrault is more like a 15-20 goal scorer other than this past year and he got a little over 4M. I think it supports the fact that a 30 goal scorer would be paid around 6M+ for their UFA years, which isn't happening with Palmieri.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Good contract if he plays like he did last season.

 

[Eric Sachs]

Good contract if he plays like he did last season.

If he plays like he did last season, it's one of the better contracts in the league lol.

People really don't realize how few 30 goal scorers there are in the NHL and how much they are typically paid. It's not less than 5M.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Some comparables with 2016 goals and 2017 cap hits:

James Neal - 31 goals, 5M AAV
Brandon Saad - 31 goals, 6M AAV
Max Pacioretty - 30 goals, 4.5M AAV
Loui Eriksson - 30 goals, 6M AAV
Matt Duchene - 30 goals, 6M AAV
Kyle Palmieri - 30 goals, 4.65M AAV
Adam Henrique - 30 goals, 4M AAV
Jeff Skinner - 28 goals, 5.725 AAV
Daniel Sedin - 28 goals, 7M AAV
Derrick Brassard - 27 goals, 5M AAV
Jaromir Jagr - 27 goals, 5.5M AAV

Curious the only two on the list under $5M are both Devils.