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[le_sean]

But we wouldn't have Drouin as a forward, we didn't deal Sergachev for a conditional 7th round pick!!!.......and let's be real, does Sergachev have these numbers with Montreal?......does Drouin have his numbers here if playing for Tampa?

Either Sergachev would be playing big minutes and being exposed defensively or he’d be playing limited minutes with one third of the points on this offensively inept team. Drouin would be at a PPG on Tampa.

 

[groovejuice]

Actually, there would be.

See, keeping Subban just means the 1RD is still set for years. But the team still needed to replace Markov eventually, and move Markov down the lineup. Had we kept both, Sergachev would be playing on Subban's right side and learning from Subban, so his development would still be pretty good. Markov could begin limiting his minutes and not be expected to be a 20 minute defenceman anymore. That added with Mete and Jerabek in the system, as well as Juulsen, and the team looks good on defence for years to come and doesn't have to focus in that department for a while.

Instead we trade Subban for old man Weber, who already looks like his days in Montreal are numbered and we won't be getting better for him. Sergachev is gone, so it all falls upon Mete/Jerabek/Juulsen to become top guys, instead of being behind top guys Sergachev and Subban. Way more pressure. Instead of Mete being a happy surprise that becomes a 2LD behind Sergachev, we gotta hope he develops into a 1LD.

I qualified my post by using the term "desperately". It's an important nuance because with Subban on the roster, the need to replace Markov wouldn't have been so immediate.

Absolutely, it's a consideration though. That's the problem with Bergevin's "team building." It's haphazard and without a specific plan, seldom are the moves exceptionally notable, except in a negative way.

 

[Price is Wright]

heh, I like subban too, no need to get inflammatory. Implying weber was the reason we were eliminated in round one is kind of comical.

Said it before about Weber, I'll say it again.

He isn't the reason for any failure in Montreal, but he's definitely not the solution to any problem we've had either.

 

[Andrei79]

Well we have
x - Weber
Mete - Petry
Juulsen - Jerabek

not really a big difference
Instead of having sergachev at defense, we have drouin at forward

I'd say having a significantly better first pair, instead of "x" being half of it is a pretty damn big difference.

I'll take that over a .5ppg first line player.

 

[DAChampion]

Said it before about Weber, I'll say it again.

He isn't the reason for any failure in Montreal, but he's definitely not the solution to any problem we've had either.

Weber can be part of the solution by being traded for a great package.

 

[Tyson]

Weber can be part of the solution by being traded for a great package.

No team would take this slowing player with that contract

 

[Price is Wright]

No team would take this slowing player with that contract

Phaneuf was traded. Weber can be traded.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

No team would take this slowing player with that contract

cap will go up alot in the next 5 years.
Weber contract will not be that bad in terms of money. Maybe in years but still.
In 3-4 years Price 10.5m will be ok by the elite standard in the league.

Saying Weber is impossible to trade is just stupid.
Toronto would probably die to get him. They are garbage in the Back like Montreal

 

[DAChampion]

No team would take this slowing player with that contract

Imo Weber is probably worth a Kessel-level package.

 

[le_sean]

No team would take this slowing player with that contract

Boy some people like to grasp at straws. He is not slow just because he’s 6’4. I haven’t seen him lose many foot races at all.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Boy some people like to grasp at straws. He is not slow just because he’s 6’4.

He dont need to be super fast anyways , hes positioning is almost always perfect.

and i find it funny when people say ''slow'' sounds like he cant skate and needs a chair to skate

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Boy some people like to grasp at straws. He is not slow just because he’s 6’4. I haven’t seen him lose many foot races at all.

A lot of Habs fans opinion on Weber are some of the stupidest I've seen on this board.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Weber is still a very good defenseman, and would fetch a great return if traded.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is out of touch with reality.

 

[groovejuice]

Weber is still a very good defenseman, and would fetch a great return if traded.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is out of touch with reality.

It will be interesting to see if Bergevin trades Weber if his proclamation of "not asking for anything else" remains valid.

 

[Price is Wright]

Weber is still a very good defenseman, and would fetch a great return if traded.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is out of touch with reality.

It depends on three things:

1. How Weber looks coming back from injury. If he looks slower, his value will be cut in half.
2. If Montreal is willing to take a defenceman in return, since most teams have a top four RD, and many have two, plus
3. How much cap space Montreal is willing to take back in trading Weber, and if they are willing to eat some of his cap.

Ideal scenario is maybe in Washington. If the Habs take Orpik, plus shave a million off Weber, they can probably get a great haul from a team which their coach Trotz adores Weber.

 

[Scriptor]

People also don't factor in possibilities according to the current CBA when it comes to holding salary when trading a player.

How much is Weber worth to a legitimate Cup contender (for the next three years) if Montreal holds salary and the Cap cost for the new team is 5M? 4.5M?

If the return is plenty of youth with upside as a team decides to bank on its current roster + Weber, what would be the real cost of holding 2.85M or 3.35M for the duration of Weber's contract?If core pieces of your lineup become players with lower Cap hits that you can control, all in return for Weber in a trade, holding back salary becomes a smart move, in the end.

 

[sampollock]

Is this thread about maxy??

 

[CHfan1]

Well we have
x - Weber
Mete - Petry
Juulsen - Jerabek

not really a big difference
Instead of having sergachev at defense, we have drouin at forward

I’d much rather have Sergachev at defence, imo it is a big difference and it will only get bigger as Sergachev gets older.

 

[le_sean]

For a loser he sure is against losing.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Either Sergachev would be playing big minutes and being exposed defensively or he’d be playing limited minutes with one third of the points on this offensively inept team. Drouin would be at a PPG on Tampa.

I really wish people would stop doing the overly unrealistic of saying that Sergachev would have the same number of points on a team that scored a fraction of the amount as Tampa. Or that he would have developed the same way in a completely different system. It’s so nerve racking to hear the constant complaints of posters who use this method to determine trades and forget to use the players web got like Byron, Shaw, Danault, Benn etc vs. Weise, Flash, Pateryn, Emelin etc.

 

[mariolemieux66]

I really wish people would stop doing the overly unrealistic of saying that Sergachev would have the same number of points on a team that scored a fraction of the amount as Tampa. Or that he would have developed the same way in a completely different system. It’s so nerve racking to hear the constant complaints of posters who use this method to determine trades and forget to use the players web got like Byron, Shaw, Danault, Benn etc vs. Weise, Flash, Pateryn, Emelin etc.

We replaced 3rd, 4th liners and bottom pairing D for the same. What we f***ed up is Radulov, Markov, Sergachev and Subban.

 

[Uncle Gary]

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Carr-DLR-Byron

Sergachev-Subban
Markov-Petry
Jerabek-Pateryn

That is what we could have rolled with this season. You can't tell me that we wouldn't be a significantly better team with that lineup than what we currently have. Still weak down the middle but someone like Turris could have been pursued much more seriously.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Carr-DLR-Byron

Sergachev-Subban
Markov-Petry
Jerabek-Pateryn

That is what we could have rolled with this season. You can't tell me that we wouldn't be a significantly better team with that lineup than what we currently have. Still weak down the middle but someone like Turris could have been pursued much more seriously.

We could take Shaw out and insert Debrincat and Girard

 

[sandviper]

Phaneuf was traded. Weber can be traded.

Dion was also traded without any retention. That alone was impressive.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Carr-DLR-Byron

Sergachev-Subban
Markov-Petry
Jerabek-Pateryn

That is what we could have rolled with this season. You can't tell me that we wouldn't be a significantly better team with that lineup than what we currently have. Still weak down the middle but someone like Turris could have been pursued much more seriously.

Thats pretty much what we had last year