Speculation: NHL trade deadline

[Brightwing]

Only stan can turn Saad plus salary retained into Zodorov, only Stan can turn Panarin plus salary retained into Zodorov, I am sure Stan will turn Zodorov into some cap dump player eventually coming our way. The scouts keep getting all these players to keep Stan afloat and he keeps destroying this team through this pathetic trades, keep the scouts and get rid of this clown.

Let's give Zadorov a season before rushing to judgement.

As for Panarin, I still think the big mistake there was being in win now mode and getting exposed by Nashville. I've heard people say we overreacted to the sweep but in fact we under reacted. We should have begun the rebuild then. If we were gonna trade Panarin it should have been for picks and prospects. But hindsight is 20/20 and it's funny that Columbus won that trade but still won nothing from it. They're gonna make the same mistake with Laine.

 

[Bubba88]

When Dach comes back, it makes Strome available for sure.

 

[Malaka]

Let's give Zadorov a season before rushing to judgement.

As for Panarin, I still think the big mistake there was being in win now mode and getting exposed by Nashville. I've heard people say we overreacted to the sweep but in fact we under reacted. We should have begun the rebuild then. If we were gonna trade Panarin it should have been for picks and prospects. But hindsight is 20/20 and it's funny that Columbus won that trade but still won nothing from it. They're gonna make the same mistake with Laine.

What's hilarious is the hindsight, the year before we start a "rebuild" we trade away teuvo for nothing. But we also won the conference that year... Hard to say it wasn't a strong reaction. Besides the obvious panarin for saad move, we swapped out hammer for a younger stud in murphy(not many want to give stan this, but the value was there). We gave up on pokka, kempny, rundblad, signed rutta and brought up gustafsson... Brought up schmaltz full time, let DeBrincat go off... And a ton of other moves I'm forgetting

 

[Brightwing]

What's hilarious is the hindsight, the year before we start a "rebuild" we trade away teuvo for nothing. But we also won the conference that year... Hard to say it wasn't a strong reaction. Besides the obvious panarin for saad move, we swapped out hammer for a younger stud in murphy(not many want to give stan this, but the value was there). We gave up on pokka, kempny, rundblad, signed rutta and brought up gustafsson... Brought up schmaltz full time, let DeBrincat go off... And a ton of other moves I'm forgetting

I just meant that at the time we didn't understand our window was closed. If we knew what we know now, after the Nashville sweep we would have started the rebuild. I'm not saying we did. I don't think this team was in rebuild mode then. We needed a few more rounds of let's get the band back together before we accepted reality. In hindsight, if we'd known Bickel had MS, if we'd known Crawford was going to go out with a concussion. Lots of what ifs.

Personally, I think Stan went into rebuild mode when Q was fired but at that point only part of the organization was with him.

 

[BK]

What's hilarious is the hindsight, the year before we start a "rebuild" we trade away teuvo for nothing. But we also won the conference that year... Hard to say it wasn't a strong reaction. Besides the obvious panarin for saad move, we swapped out hammer for a younger stud in murphy(not many want to give stan this, but the value was there). We gave up on pokka, kempny, rundblad, signed rutta and brought up gustafsson... Brought up schmaltz full time, let DeBrincat go off... And a ton of other moves I'm forgetting

TT was traded for cap space due to the Brutal Bickel deal. Pokka and Rundblad we not NHL players. Q hated Kempny so Bowman was forced to trade him.

There were better ways to handle it for sure.


The team that won the conference was not as good as their record, most knew this. The team was stuck in a spot where it looked like they should continue tying to compete but in reality the rebuild was needed. Lose Lose.

The biggest issues that caused everything are the following:

1. Sseabrook’s contract
2. Bickell’s contract
3. Reduction of assets as a result of years of going for cups.
4. Hossa retiring (he was somehow underrated)

 

[Blackhawks]

Let's give Zadorov a season before rushing to judgement.

As for Panarin, I still think the big mistake there was being in win now mode and getting exposed by Nashville. I've heard people say we overreacted to the sweep but in fact we under reacted. We should have begun the rebuild then. If we were gonna trade Panarin it should have been for picks and prospects. But hindsight is 20/20 and it's funny that Columbus won that trade but still won nothing from it. They're gonna make the same mistake with Laine.

Who cares what Columbus won or lost, look at what you lost, don’t measure your success by other people’s misfortunes that’s an insane way of looking at things. The Hawks missed out on two elite seasons Panarin and Kane hockey, what Columbus or what NYR got is completely irrelevant, heck even if hawks didn’t make the playoffs in those years it’s completely irrelevant as in the least we could have watched the dynamic duo go at it for another couple years which would have been awesome by itself instead of watching garbage hockey all around. Your 20/20 hindsight is what I saw back then, some of us were furious at that move at the time and not what you see now with your 20/20.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Who cares what Columbus won or lost, look at what you lost, don’t measure your success by other people’s misfortunes that’s an insane way of looking at things. The Hawks missed out on two elite seasons Panarin and Kane hockey, what Columbus or what NYR got is completely irrelevant, heck even if hawks didn’t make the playoffs in those years it’s completely irrelevant as in the least we could have watched the dynamic duo go at it for another couple years which would have been awesome by itself instead of watching garbage hockey all around. Your 20/20 hindsight is what I saw back then, some of us were furious at that move at the time and not what you see now with your 20/20.

Wasn’t it most? The idea of the trade made sense (an offensive specialist for a two-way forward), but the player coming back should’ve been better. In my mind, it should’ve been a Mark Stone caliber, or at least closer to that level.

The trade was a loss then, and it’s a loss now. Also, water is wet.

Bitching about that trade isn’t going to get Bowman fired, so I don’t know why it’s so important to waste energy on rehashing it.

We all saw what happened, and it’s on the official record.

 

[Esq]

TT was traded for cap space due to the Brutal Bickel deal.

The Bickell contract / trade was only "brutal" because he was suffering from MS and no one knew it yet.

 

[Drumman44]

The Bickell contract / trade was only "brutal" because he was suffering from MS and no one knew it yet.

Yes this. If he had only a small degree of regression and was perfectly healthy it would not have been as hard to move / he would have been a serviceable roster player

 

[ClydeLee]

I just meant that at the time we didn't understand our window was closed. If we knew what we know now, after the Nashville sweep we would have started the rebuild. I'm not saying we did. I don't think this team was in rebuild mode then. We needed a few more rounds of let's get the band back together before we accepted reality. In hindsight, if we'd known Bickel had MS, if we'd known Crawford was going to go out with a concussion. Lots of what ifs.

Personally, I think Stan went into rebuild mode when Q was fired but at that point only part of the organization was with him.

I've been saying for years here that was the start of a rebuild, or at the LEAST a retool. The whole 2017 offseason after the sweep was the beginning of it. Stan also when trying to do his touch up after the Toews and guys upset about this offseason was saying, we've been on this path since 2017.

In a way you can partially say it was to be good now, but I think that path changed. But when trades are made and the term "long term cap flexibility" and the such are said, it wasn't going to be different.

But once McD was gone now they can say those words and say this seasons goal is not to make the playoffs. While McD was saying no matter what each year their team was a playoff team.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I've been saying for years here that was the start of a rebuild, or at the LEAST a retool. The whole 2017 offseason after the sweep was the beginning of it. Stan also when trying to do his touch up after the Toews and guys upset about this offseason was saying, we've been on this path since 2017.

In a way you can partially say it was to be good now, but I think that path changed. But when trades are made and the term "long term cap flexibility" and the such are said, it wasn't going to be different.

But once McD was gone now they can say those words and say this seasons goal is not to make the playoffs. While McD was saying no matter what each year their team was a playoff team.

Ya, and Bowman has basically said exactly what you said — this has been going on for a while.

The only difference now is they’re publicly acknowledging what they’re doing.

 

[BK]

The Bickell contract / trade was only "brutal" because he was suffering from MS and no one knew it yet.

We are not arguing that again and I don’t disagree.

 

[Pez68]

Hey guys. I've got an idea. Let's talk about the Saad/Panarin trade again for the millionth time! You know, even though it happened four years ago. We should rehash it again.

STFU already.

 

[BK]

Hey guys. I've got an idea. Let's talk about the Saad/Panarin trade again for the millionth time! You know, even though it happened four years ago. We should rehash it again.

STFU already.

lol

 

[Blackhawks]

Wasn’t it most? The idea of the trade made sense (an offensive specialist for a two-way forward), but the player coming back should’ve been better. In my mind, it should’ve been a Mark Stone caliber, or at least closer to that level.

The trade was a loss then, and it’s a loss now. Also, water is wet.

Bitching about that trade isn’t going to get Bowman fired, so I don’t know why it’s so important to waste energy on rehashing it.

We all saw what happened, and it’s on the official record.

You are right, I am mostly responding to this 20/20 argument because it’s thrown out there constantly when it comes to this trade.

 

[Pez68]

You are right, I am mostly responding to this 20/20 argument because it’s thrown out there constantly when it comes to this trade.

Nah. You're just continuing with your tired old schtick. You need to find a new one though. This one is completely worn out. Sorry.

 

[jls24]

If you have to constantly bring up things from 4-5 years ago to justify your hate for a GM, perhaps you should take a longer look at where these feelings come from.

 

[Rick C137]

Hey guys. I've got an idea. Let's talk about the Saad/Panarin trade again for the millionth time! You know, even though it happened four years ago. We should rehash it again.

STFU already.

You’ll notice when things are going well with the Blackhawks, the same posters start rehashing the same arguments. There’s some people out there that just aren’t happy unless they’re complaining about something.

 

[nmgrbhfn]

A big dman with more skill than Zadorov? Why not just give Zadorov a chance and see if he could be that dman you want? Zadorov cost Saad's last contract year with salary retained.

I'm not sure we want to give up what a better Zadorov would cost. Like I'm trying to think who would even fit that.

A team that has a player in their third pair who should be in their second pair but there's no room so they're available or a rebuilding team that wants to trade a guy whose a little too old to fit in the rebuild?

You're probably asking for a Connor Murphy caliber player? A Jake Muzzin would be too expensive both in AAV and what it would take to get him. His contract is $5.6M and he netted a first rounder plus for the Kings.

If you have Zadorov, de Haan and Murphy you don't really have space for another stay at home dman. Someone's gonna have to move pucks.

My comment assumed Zadorov stays and de Haan and Murphy are moved. So say Keith remains workable, you have this

Keith - Boquist
6-2+ SHD - Mitchell
Beaudin - Zadorov

 

[Brightwing]

My comment assumed Zadorov stays and de Haan and Murphy are moved. So say Keith remains workable, you have this

Keith - Boquist
6-2+ SHD - Mitchell
Beaudin - Zadorov

In that case, I agree with you. I would assume they try to keep Murphy another year and perhaps expose de Haan. If we lose him, we lose him. We didn't spend much to acquire him in the first place.

 

[Blackhawks]

Nah. You're just continuing with your tired old schtick. You need to find a new one though. This one is completely worn out. Sorry.

Your current views are all worn out

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Your current views are all worn out

Good one.

 

[ello]

Can anyone remember the cap ramifications of trading Bickell? I can’t remember the exact situation we were in

 

[Pez68]

Your current views are all worn out

How witty.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Can anyone remember the cap ramifications of trading Bickell? I can’t remember the exact situation we were in

We were over the cap. Overages from panarin and I believe Seabrook’s new deal took effect.