League News: NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) Vol. 7

[Melkor]

I wonder if EJ Hradek struggle with being taken seriously because people see him as a sex symbol and not a serious reporter?

If you read JR's comments he himself mentions that she's conscious and trying to fight against being seen as a "pretty face" as opposed to a great and dedicated sports journalist.

Now, I do think this has been blown out of proportion, but making the jokes at the time and bragging about them on a podcast are two different things, I think people just need to clock that you can't flippantly talk about women like that.

And again, I do agree that if it was a woman making the same jokes about a man no one would bat an eye, but men don't have to deal with a lot of the negatives that come out of objectification.

Seems like everyone involved (meaning JR and anyone trying to put his head on a stick) needs to pull their head out their ass about 25% on this one

She is his friend for God's sake. I bet she would not get too into a philosophical reasoning about JR's intentions behind his words. She'd just laugh her ass off had he said it to her face. Yeah, pretty dumb setting himself up for feministic outrage all over the social media by saying it publicly but..god dammit, man, come on!

 

[hb12xchamps]

Friends or not:
It still was about a work colleague
It was on a podcast which has hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of downloads
They both are prominent employees working for a family friendly corporation

It's the nature of the business he's in unfortunately. It's the corporation covering their ass and I don't blame them in today's climate.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

She is his friend for God's sake. I bet she would not get too into a philosophical reasoning about JR's intentions behind his words. She'd just laugh her ass off had he said it to her face. Yeah, pretty dumb setting himself up for feministic outrage all over the social media by saying it publicly but..god dammit, man, come on!

I’ll just speak for myself but neither my friends nor my wife would be particularly thrilled if I went on a podcast and talked about wanting to have a threesome with them.

You think it’s a foregone conclusion that she’d find it funny and laugh about and be totally cool with JR telling her to her face that he wants to f*** her? What an odd stance to take.

 

[Melkor]

I’ll just speak for myself but neither my friends nor my wife would be particularly thrilled if I went on a podcast and talked about wanting to have a threesome with them.

You think it’s a foregone conclusion that she’d find it funny and laugh about and be totally cool with JR telling her to her face that he wants to **** her? What an odd stance to take.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that if they're friends and he was okay with saying that and letting it come out publicly then he was sure that Tappen at the very least won't be mad at all when she hears it.

 

[g00n]

I’ll just speak for myself but neither my friends nor my wife would be particularly thrilled if I went on a podcast and talked about wanting to have a threesome with them.

You think it’s a foregone conclusion that she’d find it funny and laugh about and be totally cool with JR telling her to her face that he wants to **** her? What an odd stance to take.

Per the first article I linked above he was apparently playing it up in Portugal and both women were "screaming at him" about it. So it wasn't a secret he was revealing to either woman for the first time on the air.

I don't think they were seriously mad at him so much as giving him a hard time, which he probably exaggerated for the sake of storytelling. If they were seriously mad he'd have to be a complete idiot to keep doing it, and even more of an idiot to talk about it publicly. Makes no sense at all, imo.

He's still dumb for talking about a female coworker like that in public. It should've stayed a joke among friends.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that if they're friends and he was okay with saying that and letting it come out publicly then he was sure that Tappen at the very least won't be mad at all when she hears it.

That’s certainly a possibility. It’s also possible that things discussed between friends should stay private and not be blasted publicly on a podcast. I certainly have friends I make off color comments with and would be pretty pissed if they talked about it in public. Or maybe he cleared it with her first and it’s a non issue. Either way, not the smartest idea to talk about it given the public nature of their work.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Per the first article I linked above he was apparently playing it up in Portugal and both women were "screaming at him" about it. So it wasn't a secret he was revealing to either woman for the first time on the air.

I don't think they were seriously mad at him so much as giving him a hard time, which he probably exaggerated for the sake of storytelling. If they were seriously mad he'd have to be a complete idiot to keep doing it, and even more of an idiot to talk about it publicly. Makes no sense at all, imo.

He's still dumb for talking about a female coworker like that in public. It should've stayed a joke among friends.

Yeah, exactly. No need to bring it to public light other than JR was trying to add a little spice to his comments on the podcast, which is an understandable motive but still dumb nonetheless.

 

[John Price]

 

[Corby78]

I disagree. She would get called a ****e and never be taken seriously again. Plus all the pervs would flood her social media with nasty comments which she would have to permanently disable.

JR is a moron but we all knew that already. Pierre would never!

I disagree, she would be lauded as a strong women who isn’t ashamed of her sexuality.

 

[AtNightWeFly]

I disagree, she would be lauded as a strong women who isn’t ashamed of her sexuality.

Maybe if she were an independent entity (actress,model or singer) but as a employee in sports broadcasting I don't see that happening, especially on a major network like NBC. Most female viewers would look at her like a silly ho and an attention seeker instead of a serious professional. Thing is, she would never do it because she knows this!

 

[Hivemind]

It's painfully obvious who does and doesn't work in a corporate/government office right now. This kind of behavior would never be tolerated in a workplace if reported to a supervisor or HR department. Does off-color joking happen? Absolutely, but usually in limited scope with coworkers who you have that rapport with. If you do it broadly and publicly (such as on a friggin' podcast), you've removed any ability for your HR department to look the other way.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

It's painfully obvious who does and doesn't work in a corporate/government office right now. This kind of behavior would never be tolerated in a workplace if reported to a supervisor or HR department. Does off-color joking happen? Absolutely, but usually in limited scope with coworkers who you have that rapport with. If you do it broadly and publicly (such as on a friggin' podcast), you've removed any ability for your HR department to look the other way.

This.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Good for JR. The occasional outrage culture ankle biting is nothing given all the threesomes he got being the cocky asshole SOB that he's always been. Gives him, his wife and Tappen something to laugh about when they wake up in the morning.

 

[Ajax1995]

It's painfully obvious who does and doesn't work in a corporate/government office right now. This kind of behavior would never be tolerated in a workplace if reported to a supervisor or HR department. Does off-color joking happen? Absolutely, but usually in limited scope with coworkers who you have that rapport with. If you do it broadly and publicly (such as on a friggin' podcast), you've removed any ability for your HR department to look the other way.

Be that as it may that doesn’t make it right to decide you are offended for someone else and then acting as if the other person is actually offended.

This even if you aren’t offended I’m offended for you approach to things is not a good thing and I’m not sure why so many people seem to act like it is some F’d up sign of progress.

 

[Melkor]

Good for JR. The occasional outrage culture ankle biting is nothing given all the threesomes he got being the cocky ******* SOB that he's always been. Gives him, his wife and Tappen something to laugh about when they wake up in the morning.

Lmao gotta love JR. He was such a great hockey player in his Blackhawks days too.

 

[Calicaps]

I disagree. She would get called a ****e and never be taken seriously again. Plus all the pervs would flood her social media with nasty comments which she would have to permanently disable.

JR is a moron but we all knew that already. Pierre would never!

This. And anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts. Every woman in America knows this would be the outcome.

As for Roenick, Tex is correct. Advertisers won't stand for controversy. Navy Federal, for instance, serves a pretty conservative client base. They probably do not want sex talk on a podcast that their members' kids might listen to. JR is an idiot.

 

[Corby78]

This. And anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts. Every woman in America knows this would be the outcome.

As for Roenick, Tex is correct. Advertisers won't stand for controversy. Navy Federal, for instance, serves a pretty conservative client base. They probably do not want sex talk on a podcast that their members' kids might listen to. JR is an idiot.

Really? Crazy how well female celebrities do after a sex tape. I will say your second point is correct. The type of podcast matters. I put a question out earlier that nobody answered. What if he said this on Howard Stern? The advertisers and NBC set a standard for the type of content and who the audience is. I have no idea what kind of podcast this was.

 

[Calicaps]

Really? Crazy how well female celebrities do after a sex tape. I will say your second point is correct. The type of podcast matters. I put a question out earlier that nobody answered. What if he said this on Howard Stern? The advertisers and NBC set a standard for the type of content and who the audience is. I have no idea what kind of podcast this was.

guess you know more about women's experiences than the women here.

As for Howard Stern, those advertisers literally pay for that kind of content. Not so on a hockey podcast. Yes it matters, and Roenick should have known that.

EDIT: come to think of it, though. Even on Stern it might have violated NBC policy. Saying something like that about a coworker on any public forum might get him suspended because NBC doesn't tolerate that. The org I work for has a policy about employees' personal social media, for instance, and people get in trouble sometimes for posts that reflect poorly on the org or otherwise potentially harm the work.

 

[Hivemind]

Be that as it may that doesn’t make it right to decide you are offended for someone else and then acting as if the other person is actually offended.

This even if you aren’t offended I’m offended for you approach to things is not a good thing and I’m not sure why so many people seem to act like it is some F’d up sign of progress.

This isn't about being offended (and how convenient for people to bring up the "you can't decide if someone else is offended" argument at this juncture compared to the infinite times posters will declare that it's wrong for people to be offended by X, Y, or Z).

This is about it being a completely inappropriate comment to make about a coworker.

 

[Melkor]

Sounds like America is a very fun place to live in.

 

[Calicaps]

Sounds like America is a very fun place to live in.

Lots of Russians seem to like it.

 

[Melkor]

Lots of Russians seem to like it.

I love it too. Just from afar.

 

[Ridley Simon]

It’s harassment. Period end....whether you agree or not. The baseline is that if literally *anyone* is offended by your remarks (the individual, another co-worker, a vendor that works for your company, or a 3rd party visiting your company), then the company can be liable. It’s just that simple.

Now, there are multiple ways to handle and dole out punishment. The severity of this one makes me think it’s not a first offense. Not behind the scenes at least.

Plus all the media driven harassment that has come to light over the past few years has changed the tolerance levels to an extreme. Rightfully so considering some of the cases that were ignored (Weinstein, Murdoch, Lauer....just to name a few).

JR should have known his landscape. Both industry wide and personally.

It is what it is.

 

[Corby78]

I love it too. Just from afar.

ahhh being able to disagree and argue is a blessing compared to the opposite

 

[kicksavedave]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that if they're friends and he was okay with saying that and letting it come out publicly then he was sure that Tappen at the very least won't be mad at all when she hears it.

Or, her actual response.

Statement from Kathryn Tappen on Jeremy Roenick: “While Jeremy and I continue to be good friends, what he said was unacceptable, especially among workplace colleagues. I do not condone his comments.”