Value of: Next Kaprizov's contract

[MuckOG]

You think MIN exposes Dumba ? Anyway then you have to replace him so let s assume another 3m ? You are already short on cap

More likely that Dumba gets traded before expansion draft

 

[Sota Popinski]

Dumba out due to expansion.

Fiala - 8
Kap - 8
JEE - 4.5
Hartman - 2
Menell - 1
Rossi - ELC
Addison - ELC
Boldy - ELC

$2M in cap space. More if we buy out Rask.

I don't see any way Kaprizov or Fiala get 8M as RFA. That's more than Point, Barzal, DeBrincat, Boeser and several other players that have done far more. There is also no reason to sign either of these guys to a 7 or 8 year contract given what they have done on the ice. Kaprizov has played 15 games and you're already signing him to an 8x8 contract? That's nuts.

Also, JEE at 4.5M? I would guess it's something like 2 years at 3M at this point. I know offense isn't his specialty, but he's never even paced at 40 points. Who is another player that is making 4.5M a year that hasn't done that?

 

[McJedi]

It would be foolish for the Wild to not offer an 8 year contract for starters.

His agent would be an idiot to accept a long term deal in this environment. He’ll do what Makar will do, sign a bridge to UFA and swing for the fences at that time.

 

[RationalExpectations]

More likely that Dumba gets traded before expansion draft

I would assume so too. His stock his lower but from what I hear he is still a good offensive Dman for PP and 2nd pairing right ?

The problem remains that in the scenario from the MIN fan before, you still are going to replace him with a player with cap. I don't see Kaprizov getting 8m right away.

 

[MuckOG]

I would assume so too. His stock his lower but from what I hear he is still a good offensive Dman for PP and 2nd pairing right ?

The problem remains that in the scenario from the MIN fan before, you still are going to replace him with a player with cap. I don't see Kaprizov getting 8m right away.

Pretty sure we would replace Dumba with Menell or Addison, both will be on their ELC deals.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Pretty sure we would replace Dumba with Mennel or Addison, both will be on their ELC deals.

Ok makes sense. But isn't MIN trying to contend ? Isn't it risky to have so many ELC player ?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You think MIN exposes Dumba ? Anyway then you have to replace him so let s assume another 3m ? You are already short on cap

I think they trade Dumba, and he’s replaced by Menell and Addison who were both factored it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't see any way Kaprizov or Fiala get 8M as RFA. That's more than Point, Barzal, DeBrincat, Boeser and several other players that have done far more. There is also no reason to sign either of these guys to a 7 or 8 year contract given what they have done on the ice. Kaprizov has played 15 games and you're already signing him to an 8x8 contract? That's nuts.

Also, JEE at 4.5M? I would guess it's something like 2 years at 3M at this point. I know offense isn't his specialty, but he's never even paced at 40 points. Who is another player that is making 4.5M a year that hasn't done that?

It’s called “overestimating”. The purpose is to go high to show the extent of what could work, if necessary. Of course I’d like to get all those guys at a lower rate.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What’s the 2 year bridge to 1 year arbitration to UFA scenario? Is it in play?

Anybody?

 

[MuckOG]

Ok makes sense. But isn't MIN trying to contend ? Isn't it risky to have so many ELC player ?

The Wild are still in a quasi-rebuild and will be for the next season or two. Next season we will see at least 3 rookies in the every day line-up (Boldy, Rossi, Menell/Addison).

 

[sandybridge]

His ELC is over after this season, so what are the Wild going to offer him, and what is Kirill going to accept?

He's 24 so it's 3 years untill UFA. I think, it's going to be 2 year bridge with $5-6M per.

I see. them being able to make a fair offer somewhere around or bit above 5x6M

 

[Critical13]

I see. them being able to make a fair offer somewhere around or bit above 5x6M

Kaprizov would be dumb to give up that much term so cheaply. I agree with a 2/5.5-6m bridge. If longer term, I am expecting north of 7. He's a legit top line winger.

 

[sandybridge]

Kaprizov would be dumb to give up that much term so cheaply. I agree with a 2/5.5-6m bridge. If longer term, I am expecting north of 7. He's a legit top line winger.

He could be great, but there is some risk associated with that. He's definitely not as proven over long term as most first liners. 6-7M is probably fair for 5 years.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kaprizov would be dumb to give up that much term so cheaply. I agree with a 2/5.5-6m bridge. If longer term, I am expecting north of 7. He's a legit top line winger.

$50M over 7 years.
$60M over 8.

 

[Critical13]

$50M over 7 years.
$60M over 8.

I like both of those, similar to Tarsenko but in the age of RFA empowerment where there is salary creep.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Ok makes sense. But isn't MIN trying to contend ? Isn't it risky to have so many ELC player ?

Not when you're other three top 4 defensemen are Suter, Brodin and Spurgeon.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I don't see any way Kaprizov or Fiala get 8M as RFA. That's more than Point, Barzal, DeBrincat, Boeser and several other players that have done far more. There is also no reason to sign either of these guys to a 7 or 8 year contract given what they have done on the ice. Kaprizov has played 15 games and you're already signing him to an 8x8 contract? That's nuts.

Also, JEE at 4.5M? I would guess it's something like 2 years at 3M at this point. I know offense isn't his specialty, but he's never even paced at 40 points. Who is another player that is making 4.5M a year that hasn't done that?

He's also gotten zero opportunity to play the PP or offensive minutes before this year. He had 25 minutes of PP time from 2016-2020. He has 25 minutes in the 15 games of 2021 alone. He paced for 39 points solely on his EV scoring last year. That's solidly 2nd line Scoring numbers, with a huge plus of being fantastic defensively.

Only 15 games so far, but as our defacto 1C he's pacing for 55 points(over 82 games).

 

[Boondock]

I don't see any way Kaprizov or Fiala get 8M as RFA. That's more than Point, Barzal, DeBrincat, Boeser and several other players that have done far more. There is also no reason to sign either of these guys to a 7 or 8 year contract given what they have done on the ice. Kaprizov has played 15 games and you're already signing him to an 8x8 contract? That's nuts.

Also, JEE at 4.5M? I would guess it's something like 2 years at 3M at this point. I know offense isn't his specialty, but he's never even paced at 40 points. Who is another player that is making 4.5M a year that hasn't done that?

Brandon "Foundational Piece" Sutter - it was a brutal contract then and its a brutal contract now.

 

[keppel146]

Hopefully we can get him in the 6.5-7 AAV range.

 

[Sota Popinski]

It’s called “overestimating”. The purpose is to go high to show the extent of what could work, if necessary. Of course I’d like to get all those guys at a lower rate.

Fair. But if we go into next season with the only additions to our roster being ELC guys, that would be a disaster. I don't think there's any question we have enough cap space to sign our own guys, and we should definitely have more than $2M in cap space after we get them signed.

 

[Djp]

It would be foolish for the Wild to not offer an 8 year contract for starters.

woukd never do that.

he gets 2 yrs bridge

 

[42]

Why did the Wild burn his 2019 year? Kaprizov's ELC is 2 years and there was no need for him to play in 2019. Could they not have slid it over?

 

[AKL]

I think the Wild are going to want to sign him to a Connor-esque contract, and if he and his agent are smart they should be looking for a year or two bridge to build up his value and hopefully end up with something like 8-9 on a long term deal.

 

[AKL]

Why did the Wild burn his 2019 year? Kaprizov's ELC is 2 years and there was no need for him to play in 2019. Could they not have slid it over?

That was a good will move by the Wild to Kaprizov so he could make more money sooner. They could have delayed it until this year because he didn't even play last season, but didn't.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Why did the Wild burn his 2019 year? Kaprizov's ELC is 2 years and there was no need for him to play in 2019. Could they not have slid it over?

The risk was he'd sign back up with CSKA for the covid year, then they'd only have a 1 year ELC anyway. Just a year later.

Better to get him locked in.