Next 2018 Actual Off-Season Thread

[Magua]

I still stop myself at times and can’t believe we drafted Patrick 2nd overall from the 13th lottery spot. Never gonna get old.

 

[Doodootheclown]

40 goals, if he plays on PP1 and stays healthy. I want to hear JJ's ridiculous call on #40 for him!

 

[FlyTimmo]

27 goals, 63 points.

 

[Tripod]

Our 2nd line has the potential to be REALLY good!

 

[Domino666]

I still get all giddy when I think about Philly going from 13th to 2nd and landing Patrick, yes Nico will be good as well but I believe Nolan is going to be a way better two-way player

 

[BillDineen]

I am actually a bit worried Patrick will be too good before his next contract. It would be nice to get him locked in long term before he ramps it up (which I fully expect sooner or later).

 

[FlyTimmo]

I am actually a bit worried Patrick will be too good before his next contract. It would be nice to get him locked in long term before he ramps it up (which I fully expect sooner or later).

It would be nice, but I'm definitely not going to complain if he earns himself a 8M+ deal

 

[Rebels57]

I am actually a bit worried Patrick will be too good before his next contract. It would be nice to get him locked in long term before he ramps it up (which I fully expect sooner or later).

Good problem to have!

 

[Tripod]

I still get all giddy when I think about Philly going from 13th to 2nd and landing Patrick, yes Nico will be good as well but I believe Nolan is going to be a way better two-way player

Nico is very good defensively so I don't know about being better defensively. I think they both will be highly regarded 2-way guys.

 

[Domino666]

Nico is very good defensively so I don't know about being better defensively. I think they both will be highly regarded 2-way guys.

I’m not taking anything away from Nico the kid is going to be a force for a long while, but I believe Patrick watching and learning from Coots will help him be a tick better than Nico all around, just my opinion

 

[renberg]

Nico will never have the physical presence on the ice that Patrick has. Nico will score a lot of pretty goals but NP will get the grittier ones. I'll take NP; he's going to be a force.

 

[deadhead]

Patrick was a 1.50 pp/60, and that includes his first half, I don't know where you can find splits on this stat. But I'd bet it was close to 2.0.
17 years old (Sept birthday)
72g 41-61 102 +51 PO 21g 13-17 30 +19
Nico 17-18 (Jan birthday, so 8 months older)
55g 38-48 86 +20 PO 6 3-4 7 +2

Nico scored at a 2.40 pace (Hall was 2.38) as a rookie.

So Patrick is on the same level as Nico as a junior scorer, he basically lost his pre-draft season to injury (and was probably hampered the year before since he had surgery that summer).
Nico is the better skater, Patrick is the bigger, more physical player.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I think both PHI and NJ will be happy with the players they got in 2017

 

[ajgoal]

Patrick was a 1.50 pp/60, and that includes his first half, I don't know where you can find splits on this stat. But I'd bet it was close to 2.0.

He didn't even get halfway to 2 from his season-long average. Over the last 41 games, Patrick averaged 1.72 p/60. Hischier 2.47.

 

[deadhead]

He didn't even get halfway to 2 from his season-long average. Over the last 41 games, Patrick averaged 1.72 p/60. Hischier 2.47.

Where do you find that split for 5x5 scoring?

 

[ajgoal]

natural stat trick. Filter for either date range or team games.

 

[Stizzle]

No idea how reliable this stat is, but the top 5 is tasty...
1. Giroux
2. Hall
3. Couturier
4. McDavid
5. Benn

Filtered for just Flyers...
1. Giroux
2. Couts
3. Ghost
4. TK
5. Provy
6. Raffl
7. Gudas
8. Voracek
9. Sanheim
10. Weal

Team worst...
Filppula (dead last)
Simmonds
Weise
Manning
Lehtera

 

[deadhead]

natural stat trick. Filter for either date range or team games.

Yeah, starting February 1st, 32 games:
Patrick 52.68% Corsi, second only to Lindblom 54.04. HDCF% 57.32, Lindblom 54.32%.
To put that in perspective, TK, playing on the 1st line, 49.06% Corsi, 50.0 HDCF%
TK put up 3.1 pp/60, Patrick 1.72 pp/60, given other metrics, TK should decline and Patrick should increase.
Voracek was 1.16 pp/60, which I think reflects Lindblom's and Patrick's struggles to finish plays.

Really hate to move Lindblom away from Patrick, though he'll probably be a good fit with Frost or Vorobyev as well.
JVR would provide Voracek with a scorer.

 

[FlyTimmo]

No idea how reliable this stat is, but the top 5 is tasty...
1. Giroux
2. Hall
3. Couturier
4. McDavid
5. Benn

Filtered for just Flyers...
1. Giroux
2. Couts
3. Ghost
4. TK
5. Provy
6. Raffl
7. Gudas
8. Voracek
9. Sanheim
10. Weal

Team worst...
Filppula (dead last)
Simmonds
Weise
Manning
Lehtera

Patrick's GAR was fairly bad too, though I imagine it was due to how rough the 1st half of the season was for him. His underlying stats before Christmas were as bad as Filppula's, if not worse. A full healthy season and he is probably closer to the top-5.

 

[deadhead]

Plus that line was put together with a raw rookie (Lindblom) and Voracek adjusting to playing with two rookies.
The lines this fall should be far more stable, and playing together in TC should help them get off to a faster start.
The key issue is deciding on the 3C, everything else falls into place (Laughton can be 4C as a placeholder for Vorobyev).
I think Ron keeps Simmonds for this season (unless he can get a top 9 RW in a trade for him, otherwise he creates another hole).

 

[FlyTimmo]

Yeah, starting February 1st, 32 games:
Patrick 52.68% Corsi, second only to Lindblom 54.04. HDCF% 57.32, Lindblom 54.32%.
To put that in perspective, TK, playing on the 1st line, 49.06% Corsi, 50.0 HDCF%
TK put up 3.1 pp/60, Patrick 1.72 pp/60, given other metrics, TK should decline and Patrick should increase.
Voracek was 1.16 pp/60, which I think reflects Lindblom's and Patrick's struggles to finish plays.

Really hate to move Lindblom away from Patrick, though he'll probably be a good fit with Frost or Vorobyev as well.
JVR would provide Voracek with a scorer.

I think Patrick will be a good finisher next year. He even expressed that he wanted to work on his shot heavily during the offseason. Whether it is Lindblom or JVR both lines should be dominant possession based lines.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Vegas got to the Final with a patchwork defense. The highend forward talent they have can mask some deficiencies on the back end. Enough to win a Cup? Who knows but their talent and depth up front is ridiculous

Yeah, could be hard to score on them if they're just always scoring on you.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Patrick will be a good finisher next year. He even expressed that he wanted to work on his shot heavily during the offseason. Whether it is Lindblom or JVR both lines should be dominant possession based lines.

I'm not sure he will really need to be a finisher with JVR to set up, but I would expect him to improve in that respect.

Even last year he was getting dangerous shots off out of nowhere at times.

 

[deadhead]

Looking at some splits:
First half///Second half (Jan 1 split)
Giroux 2.89 pp/60 Corsi 53.80% HDCF 52.82% /// 2.74 - 52.12% - 53.98%
Voracek 2.69 - 50.34% - 50.52% /// 1.30 - 50.76% - 51.71%
Couts 2.36 - 54.77% - 53.09% /// 1.82 - 53.59% - 53.68%
TK 1.44 - 46.84% - 44.22% /// 2.82 - 50.30% - 54.31%
Laughton 1.41 - 52.05% - 58.56% /// 1.31 - 51.22% - 47.37%
Patrick 1.26 - 41.59% - 37.14% /// 1.61 - 52.91% - 56.57%
Raffl 1.23 - 50.66% - 54.29% /// 1.18 - 49.50% - 47.14%
Weise 1.09 - 44.08% - 36.08% /// 0.92 - 44.21% -28.95%
Weal 1.05 - 47.30% - 47.92% /// 1.40 - 51.51% - 50.00%
Simmonds 1.01 - 47.15% - 44.06% /// 1.56 - 47.50% - 49.16%
Filppula 0.96 - 45.19% - 43.92% /// 1.22 - 43.82% - 39.22%
Leier 0.86 - 53.42% - 58.82% ///
Lehtera 0.61 - 48.62% -41.07% /// 0.82 -48.92% - 39.81%
Lindblom 1.00 - 54.04% - 54.46%

TK and Voracek had their scoring rates reverse the second half, but notice that while TK's entire game made a big jump, Voracek was the exact same player off the 1st line as he was on it, the only difference was his linemates weren't scoring. TK was carried by G & Couts.

Patrick was horrible the first half, he and Lindblom put up top line numbers the second half except for scoring, like most rookies the game was a little too fast when it came to finishing scoring chances.

Weal actually had a pretty good second half, certainly 3rd line good, but where does he fit?
Simmonds also recovered nicely the second half, not top 6 nice, but solid 3rd line nice.
Laughton and Raffl both cratered the 2nd half in term of HDCF, put them back together?
Weise, Filppula, Lehtera (and Read) were awful, but you knew that.

Manning 1.12 - 50.22% - 51.56% /// 0.99 - 50.76% - 45.08%
Ghost 0.97 - 49.41% - 48.32% /// 1.14 - 52.70% - 55.16%
Provorov 0.78 - 47.22% - 48.57% /// 1.34 - 50.82% - 48.75%
Sanheim 0.62 - 54.72% - 52.82% /// 1.06 - 51.69% - 48.00%
Gudas 0.51 - 55.77% - 55.42% /// 0.97 - 50.96% - 48.78%
Hagg 0.49 - 44.79% - 44.69% /// 0.48 - 46.65% - 50.00%
MacDonald 0.46 - 43.67% - 43.36% /// 1.22 - 47.35 - 51.25%

Ghost really picked it up the second half, Provorov did his scoring, but he's on ice for too many opposing HDA.
MacDonald had a solid second half, helped to play with Sanheim but he played a much better defensive game.
Gudas and Sanheim played better together but didn't score, apart they scored but weren't as reliable.
Hagg is not a scorer but he did improve defensively the second half, and that's the key for him.
Manning's whole issue are mistakes that lead to opponents HD attempts, otherwise he puts up solid numbers, which is why he was in demand, coaches probably figure they can pair him with someone more responsible.

 

[Tripod]

Since, as you showed and have said over and over, that TK was being carried by Couts and Giroux, why would Hakstol "promote" TK to the 3rd line for the playoffs like you said he did? You know, when you said he did so so TK could lead his own line.

Did Hak not have this info at his disposal?