News Article: News and Notes XXXIV - is it time for us to make panic trades yet?

[Brock Anton]

Willie Nylander, man. The guy who has never even had a 70-point season but has fans/media in Toronto convinced that he's good/valuable enough to get them a #1D straight up.

Guess they can't blatantly lie to us and claim that Marner's contract is actually very valuable, so they try to sell us on Nylander's untapped potential.

 

[GoldiFox]

Willie Nylander, man. The guy who has never even had a 70-point season but has fans/media in Toronto convinced that he's good/valuable enough to get them a #1D straight up.

Guess they can't blatantly lie to us and claim that Marner's contract is actually very valuable, so they try to sell us on Nylander's untapped potential.

Nylander is worth a #1D, preferably someone better than Seth Jones when accounting for contract. Maybe Heiskanen or Makar if DAL/COL would add to make up the difference.

Marner, Matthews, and Tavares are, of-course, individually worth at least McDavid++. Edmonton doesn't have the D to add to McDavid to really make it worth it. Maybe Eichel + Dahlin would suffice if Dahlin has a breakout year.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Nylander is worth a #1D, preferably someone better than Seth Jones when accounting for contract. Maybe Heiskanen or Makar if DAL/COL would add to make up the difference.

Marner, Matthews, and Tavares are, of-course, individually worth at least McDavid++. Edmonton doesn't have the D to add to McDavid to really make it worth it. Maybe Eichel + Dahlin would suffice if Dahlin has a breakout year.

It took me a second to realize you were being sarcastic.

 

[WreckingCrew]

It took me a second to realize you were being sarcastic.

Tricked me into thinking I was on the Leafs board or Trade thread for a second, I had to do a double-take

 

[GoldiFox]

It took me a second to realize you were being sarcastic.

I just got DM from The Athletic Toronto for part time writing as "an outside objective voice who finally gets it."

 

[Sens1Canes2]

It took me a second to realize you were being sarcastic.

Same!

 

[hblueridgegal]

Nice read re: his journey.

And, congratulations to him and Fleury, too, on their engagements.

 

[spockBokk]

An interesting tidbit in here:



Over half the teams in the league have cut hockey ops pay, but not the Canes. They’ve only made cuts on the business side. That fits right in with where Dundon said he’d spend $$$, on the ice.

I suppose you could say he kinda went against that with the whole Waddel to MIN last year thing and the handling of the Aho extension, but so far, he’s mostly put his $$$ into making sure the team is competitive.

 

[HisIceness]

Well, we tried to GoFundMe keeping Forslund

 

[spockBokk]

Well, we tried to GoFundMe keeping Forslund

I’ll miss Forslund (probably more than the Checkers), but I can’t say I noticed that much of a difference when Maniscalco was calling the RTP games.

 

[MinJaBen]

Well, we tried to GoFundMe keeping Forslund

Did we raise enough?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

An interesting tidbit in here:



Over half the teams in the league have cut hockey ops pay, but not the Canes. They’ve only made cuts on the business side. That fits right in with where Dundon said he’d spend $$$, on the ice.

I suppose you could say he kinda went against that with the whole Waddel to MIN last year thing and the handling of the Aho extension, but so far, he’s mostly put his $$$ into making sure the team is competitive.

Everyone keeps saying "Dundon is cheap" and every single time we see him keeping his promise to put money on the ice to make the team better. You've got to give him that.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Did we raise enough?

We did not.

I suppose I need to close that down and cut the check to the Canes+Community Foundation before GoFundMe just takes the money and says "thanks!"

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

An interesting tidbit in here:



Over half the teams in the league have cut hockey ops pay, but not the Canes. They’ve only made cuts on the business side. That fits right in with where Dundon said he’d spend $$$, on the ice.

I suppose you could say he kinda went against that with the whole Waddel to MIN last year thing and the handling of the Aho extension, but so far, he’s mostly put his $$$ into making sure the team is competitive.

Of course they used a picture of the sens

 

[Chrispy]

An interesting tidbit in here:



Over half the teams in the league have cut hockey ops pay, but not the Canes. They’ve only made cuts on the business side. That fits right in with where Dundon said he’d spend $$$, on the ice.

I suppose you could say he kinda went against that with the whole Waddel to MIN last year thing and the handling of the Aho extension, but so far, he’s mostly put his $$$ into making sure the team is competitive.

Wouldn't those scout positions that we discussed disappearing from the website last month fall under "hockey operations"?

He may not have cut pay of continuing ops employees, but letting people go when their contracts are up has the same (or worse) effect.

 

[HisIceness]

Did we raise enough?

Let's be honest, we weren't going to anyways but it was an "A" for effort and the money goes to the Canes&Community Foundation so it's really a win-win.

 

[Lempo]

Everyone keeps saying "Dundon is cheap" and every single time we see him keeping his promise to put money on the ice to make the team better. You've got to give him that.

But we must be ever-vigilant.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Everyone keeps saying "Dundon is cheap" and every single time we see him keeping his promise to put money on the ice to make the team better. You've got to give him that.

I agree- I think he is more than willing to spend on the key aspects of the organization. I don't think he is "cheap", as opposed to "shockingly ruthless" when it comes to things that he thinks are without value, ie, Chuck Kaiton, John Forslund, The Checkers, etc.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Everyone keeps saying "Dundon is cheap" and every single time we see him keeping his promise to put money on the ice to make the team better. You've got to give him that.

Dundon has identified the two things that drive revenue-the on ice talent and draft picks- and invested heavily in these while cutting everything else to the bone.

This is objectively what is happening. Is it "smart business"? Is it "cheap"? Semantics. But who doesn't love a semantics argument?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dundon has identified the two things that drive revenue-the on ice talent and draft picks- and invested heavily in these while cutting everything else to the bone.

This is objectively what is happening. Is it "smart business"? Is it "cheap"? Semantics. But who doesn't love a semantics argument?

What it sounds like is a strategy designed to create a lot of profit in the short term, with little regard for what happens in the natural down-cycle that follows.

On one hand, that's a wonderfully welcome departure from just spinning our wheels every year. On the other hand, we know who we are dealing with and how he got here.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

What it sounds like is a strategy designed to create a lot of profit in the short term, with little regard for what happens in the natural down-cycle that follows.

On one hand, that's a wonderfully welcome departure from just spinning our wheels every year. On the other hand, we know who we are dealing with and how he got here.

It also happens to sound like a long-term strategy for maximizing continual winning opportunities while mitigating the cost of natural down-cycles -- one of which we happen to be in the middle of, right now. Over half of NHL owners cut hockey ops. Dundon didn't.

I guess the question is, why do you think Dundon bought a hockey team, to win or to make money? Everything I see says that he bought the team to win, and win sustainably.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It also happens to sound like a long-term strategy for maximizing continual winning opportunities while mitigating the cost of natural down-cycles -- one of which we happen to be in the middle of, right now. Over half of NHL owners cut hockey ops. Dundon didn't.

I guess the question is, why do you think Dundon bought a hockey team, to win or to make money? Everything I see says that he bought the team to win, and win sustainably.

At first I wasn't even entertaining the notion that he bought it just to flip it in a few years.

Over the past ~year, I've begun to entertain it. At some point the totality of the evidence at least introduces the question.

 

[GoldiFox]

Lehner off the board.

 

[Chrispy]

Lehner off the board.

And Fleury officially in play.

 

[DougieSmash]

In our system Fleury and Andersen won't be better than we have. Don't waste another pick/prospects, please.