World Cup: National Team threads

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  1. Duchene2MacKinnon

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    Please proceed what is racism if not claiming you don't want to be associated with them or have them in the dressing room?

    The quotes are pretty damning. How are they not homophobic and racist? Even if they were 7 years ago there is no time limit on the disgusting remarks.

    I don't even want to dump on the guy and actually didn't want to believe the comments were real. He plays for my favourite team and I liked him just enough. Never had anything bad to say about him. Actually liked him... sooo
     
  2. YNWA14

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    The way I read the quote seems like certain things were either taken out of context or misrepresented (but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt unless it's verbatim). I think it comes from a place of ignorance/discomfort and preference more than being outright racist. I don't want to really get into it too much because I don't like talking about these things online as they always become super crazy but while I don't share those views I can see how having someone who is gay in a men's locker room would make some people uncomfortable in the same way having a man in a woman's locker room would make some people uncomfortable. I don't think that his preference for not having them around was meant to be applied to the 'black, dwarf or obese' person thing; like I said it was a terrible analogy IMO but I think he was just trying to say he respects that lifestyle and those people in the same way he respects other different people from himself.

    For me racism is more about outright prejudice, hate and inciting violence, etc. taking away opportunity. Not about a personal preference on who some people choose to surround themselves with in their personal lives or certain aspects that make them uncomfortable.

    At the end of the day everyone has certain preferences or little prejudices about people that are different from them (whether the difference is physical, or interest based, etc.). Are you prejudiced because you wouldn't consider a man as a sexual partner because that's not your preference? I dunno, I think everyone should be respectful and kind to everyone else, and a little more open minded to the fact that no everyone thinks the same way or will have the same opinions. I don't think that means that everyone needs to be included on everything and I do believe in the freedom of personal preference and choices, as long as those feelings and choices aren't intended to hurt other people.

    Anyway, anyone is welcome to interpret these things in their own way.
     
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  3. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    Yeah no this is a super homophobic take

    There is no context in which Ivan Rakitic being like "I don't want gay men in my locker room" isn't super homophobic
     
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  4. Halladay

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    Keep this discussion about soccer, you can pm each other if you like.
     
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  5. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    I fail to see how a conversation about the issue of homophobia and racism in soccer isn't a discussion about soccer.
     
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    This would be a good topic for the political board, but that doesn't exist anymore. But we can start a thread specifically for this though if you all want to and have it centralized there. But the problem is more likely than not politics will get involved and that isn't ok.
     
  7. Panteras

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    Brazil got an easy group for CA. They should cruise to semis too. I'm sure they have a point to prove and take this tournament at home.
     
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    The headline was a warped version, completely out of context, according to Rakitic.
    (back in the day, when the interview happened years ago, he had a written statement and then a quick follow up in Croatian on one of the TV channels later... and no, the headline reads nothing like what Rakitic was saying)

    But that was 7 years ago. I have no idea why this stuff resurfaced, and my problem with it that from what I read only the warped interview resurfaced but not the Rakitic statements, clarifications and basically the negation of the headlines.

    He is a genuinely super nice guy- so I tend to take his word on the whole thing.
     
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    He never actually said that though - according to him.

    I'll try and find his TV statement from 7 years ago (probably on the internet somewhere), but as far as I remember his statement was that he never said it the way the interview presented it, but something akin to, while he has no problem with it, like with any other minority etc., if that happened and all that media and everyone was talking about was that one players sexuality instead of actual football, he'd rather skip it.

    Something like that, anyway.

    (that said, Croatia is a country where the Catholic church influence is strong, I know a lot of good and kind people who say dumb and hurtful things because of how they've been indoctrinated by religion from basically birth and were never able, or given the chance, to form their own opinions about a lot of things, develop their critical thinking etc.... Mind you, Rakitic grew up in Switzerland and has spent his adult life in Germany and Spain, so dunno how relevant that is)
     
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  10. Evilo

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    Where are the apologies for saying we made stuff up?
    Will you issue a statement too? :D
     
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    Rakitic said that? Man, makes me see him a new light.
     
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    Stuff like that must create an awkward dynamic in the locker room, even if he appologizes.
     
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    Even though the World Cup is 3.5 years away (remember its November 2022 :help:) the first teams have already been eliminated from qualifying. Brunei, Laos, Timor-Leste, Pakistan and Bhutan are already out all teams outside the top 150 of FIFA Rankings. The "big names" of Asia already start qualifying in September and the draw is in July
     
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    ...yet organizing a world championship in Qatar seemed the most obvious choice: a mild climate, a great football tradition, a symbol of human rights and integration. I would never have thought of corrupt activities ...
     
  16. Evilo

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    There are at lest three of those four factors that work about Italy as well.
     
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    Love your obsession! LOVE!
     
  18. Evilo

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    Haha, love your unbiased view of the mighty Arabs! LOVE it.
     
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    Still you come out of nowhere with Italy ;)
     
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  21. Evilo

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    Not really, I know you're Italian.
    And Italy regarding corruption, integration and all?
    Top easy to pass up! :D
     
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    Tutto il mondo รจ paese....as you can see.
     
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    Simeone tipping Gallardo as the coach of the NT. Saying Argentina always need to be coached by an Argentinian. Maybe he should get off his ass and move on from Atleti? Instead, of dictating from afar.
     
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    The 2nd round of the Asian World Cup qualifying groups were determined today with 8 groups of 5 teams

    A: China, Syria, Philippines, Maldives, Guam
    B: Australia, Jordan, Chinese Taipei, Kuwait, Nepal
    C: Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, Hong Kong, Cambodia
    D: Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Palestine, Yemen, Singapore
    E: Qatar*, Oman, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan
    F: Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Myanmar, Mongolia
    G: UAE, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia
    H: South Korea, Lebanon, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Sri Lanka

    *Qatar is involved because this also serves as the qualification for the 2023 Asian Cup.

    The groups winners advance to the final group stage along with the four best runners-up. A total of 4 teams from Asia will eventually qualify (along with hosts Qatar) with a playoff spot for a potential 5th. These games start in September and end June 2020. Right off the bat is the Korean derby which is always interesting while Iran and Saudi Arabia have potentially tricky opponents in Iraq/Uzbekistan respectively. Japan and Australia couldn't ask for a better group, though Australia seems to be on a massive decline last few years
     
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    I'm surprised Syria and Afghanistan still have football teams.
     

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