Proposal: MTL - DET

[ThankGord]

Seattle will. Not too worried there

So unless I'm mistaken (which is certainly possible), the Habs will have to expose 4 of these defensemen:

Joel Edmundson
Brett Kulak
Cale Fleury
Victor Mete
Shea Weber
Jeff Petry
Ben Chiarot

...but Seattle will take Byron? Explain.

 

[Mersss]

So unless I'm mistaken (which is certainly possible), the Habs will have to expose 4 of these defensemen:

Joel Edmundson
Brett Kulak
Cale Fleury
Victor Mete
Shea Weber
Jeff Petry
Ben Chiarot

...but Seattle will take Byron? Explain.

We'll give them a 2bd rd pick for him

Habs will protect Petry edmundson and Weber (could also he left expose)

Leaves then the choice of an overpaid bottom pair dman, or a bunch of AHLer / barely regular NHL dman...

Could be good for their future to take Byron with a 2nd rd pick if the best giy they get from MTL is Chiarot

I believe Price will agree to waive in order to keep Allen cause he wants to won and knows he needs a good back up to do so

 

[ThankGord]

We'll give them a 2bd rd pick for him

Habs will protect Petry edmundson and Weber (could also he left expose)

Leaves then the choice of an overpaid bottom pair dman, or a bunch of AHLer / barely regular NHL dman...

Could be good for their future to take Byron with a 2nd rd pick if the best giy they get from MTL is Chiarot

I believe Price will agree to waive in order to keep Allen cause he wants to won and knows he needs a good back up to do so

So you're offering a 2nd + Byron to Seattle for nothing, and you're offering a 2nd + Byron for Glendening. If the 2nd is what it costs to move Byron's contract to Seattle then start there and add if you want Glendening coming back.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wingd fans are out of their mind if they think they can get a 2nd for a 4th liner / AHLer

Glendening hasn't played an AHL game in 7 seasons and have never even (to my knowledge) been a healthy scratch.
He's been in the top 6 or top 9 a lot more than he's been in risk of exiting the lineup, and while that does say a bit about the Wings lack of talent I don't think there are many teams in the league that wouldn't find room for Glendening.

He's one of the better faceoff guys in the league and also a a great penalty killer (since 2013 he's by far the forward leader in shorthanded time on ice in the NHL).

Get out of here with "AHLer".

 

[Mersss]

Glendening hasn't played an AHL game in 7 seasons and have never even (to my knowledge) been a healthy scratch.
He's been in the top 6 or top 9 a lot more than he's been in risk of exiting the lineup, and while that does say a bit about the Wings lack of talent I don't think there are many teams in the league that wouldn't find room for Glendening.

He's one of the better faceoff guys in the league and also a a great penalty killer (since 2013 he's by far the forward leader in shorthanded time on ice in the NHL).

Get out of here with "AHLer".

Doesn't change the fact not a single gM is going to pay a 2nd rd pick foe a 4 liner who's only good at FO and PK.

4th rd pick is about his value (ala Nate Thompson)

 

[Mersss]

So you're offering a 2nd + Byron to Seattle for nothing, and you're offering a 2nd + Byron for Glendening. If the 2nd is what it costs to move Byron's contract to Seattle then start there and add if you want Glendening coming back.

Ok yah true, I'll add what his actual value is

Byron
2nd
4th

Vs

Glendening
5th

Nate Thompson who's asimilar utility pk / fo specialist was traded alinf with a 5th rd pick for a 4th rd pick. That's Glendening value.

So there you have it. GMs won't offer more than that, like ever.

 

[ThankGord]

Ok yah true, I'll add what his actual value is

Byron
2nd
4th

Vs

Glendening
5th

Nate Thompson who's asimilar utility pk / fo specialist was traded alinf with a 5th rd pick for a 4th rd pick. That's Glendening value.

So there you have it. GMs won't offer more than that, like ever.

I think you'll be surprised. Professional hockey analysts at the Athletic and otherwise put Glendening's value at a 3rd at least.

From the Lightning writer at the Athletic:

"But Glendening boasts experience, he’s tough, can match up and can win faceoffs too from the right side (league-best 64 percent), as Cooper pointed out; that’d be a big boost for a Tampa Bay team that’s 18th in the league in the dot, winning just under 50 percent of their draws. If the Lightning want a guy like that, after trading veteran 4C Cedric Paquette, Glendening would fit well."
​

Lightning writer proceeded to offer a 3rd which didn't impress Detroit's writer much.

 

[Mersss]

I think you'll be surprised. Professional hockey analysts at the Athletic and otherwise put Glendening's value at a 3rd at least.

From the Lightning writer at the Athletic:

"But Glendening boasts experience, he’s tough, can match up and can win faceoffs too from the right side (league-best 64 percent), as Cooper pointed out; that’d be a big boost for a Tampa Bay team that’s 18th in the league in the dot, winning just under 50 percent of their draws. If the Lightning want a guy like that, after trading veteran 4C Cedric Paquette, Glendening would fit well."
​

Lightning writer proceeded to offer a 3rd which didn't impress Detroit's writer much.

Writer opinon =/= GMs opinion. Nate Thompson got a 4th in exchange along with a 5th. Wings fans would be lucky to get a 3rd

 

[ThankGord]

Writer opinon =/= GMs opinion. Nate Thompson got a 4th in exchange along with a 5th. Wings fans would be lucky to get a 3rd

Agree to disagree then. In our little fantasy world your offer is declined.

 

[Mersss]

Agree to disagree then. In our little fantasy world your offer is declined.

No problem here! We'll sign Glendening this summer for free after he realises he'll never win anything with the Wings for the reminder of his career!

 

[ThankGord]

No problem here! We'll sign Glendening this summer for free after he realises he'll never win anything with the Wings for the reminder of his career!

Sure, the Michigan born walk on at University of Michigan that went undrafted and signed with his hometown team and became Assistant Captain will sign in Canada.

 

[BinCookin]

This thread is full of all kinds of weird analysis.

The statement "all Glendening does is FO's, he does nothing special". is an interesting statement.

I mean what 4th liner in the league is actually "Special". I mean that argument could be extended to all 4th liners.

Glendening is kind of a weird player to analyse. He is a 90% defensive player. He plays a lot of minutes for a 4th line centre, because he is a really solid PK forward. He also throws a lot of hits. Its kind of exactly what you want a 4th liner to do.
He also seems to show up horribly in advanced stats because he never shoots the puck. Detroit's team is also quite bad, and the 4th line never gets shots on goal, so his Corsi has always looked extremely bad. The fact Glendening has an A on his sweater is also a big deal for our team. He trains right, his work out ethic is top notch. He clearly gives it all for the team, and we are fine keeping him. Interestingly Glendening Was also played a lot more than a normal fourth liner in Detroit, as he was given key defensive assignments to cover other teams top centres. This is not a normal fourth line role.

Bottom line is, if you are a poster here that thinks no team should ever pay for 4th liners, and that you should play your kids. Then glendening is worthless to you, regardless of any analysis. However, NHL GM's look for small advantages all the time. And having any kind of "special" talent is useful. And Yes Glendening has become amazing at FO's, but he has also excelled in the past (See TB playoff Series) at shutting down other teams top players. On a good team with actual good players, this would work out well.

I think Glendening should be traded... because our team sucks, and we need kids.

I expect at least a 3rd round pick. It would be nice if we could get a 2nd round pick. (lets wait and see). ( p.s. we would retain salary to make him 900K, this would not be part of the return, but just a requirement to trade him in these salary cap times)

In regards to Danault and Byron (which are strangely discussed more than Lehkonen).
Ya I think Danault fetches a late 1st If someone wants the player. I think MTL should keep Danault.
Byron is relatively highly paid and signed for 3 years. I think moving that contract will be very hard. Especially if you are scratching the player or keeping him in a taxi squad. Thats regardless of the fact he had a very nice set of stats 1-2 years ago.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Doesn't change the fact not a single gM is going to pay a 2nd rd pick foe a 4 liner who's only good at FO and PK.

4th rd pick is about his value (ala Nate Thompson)

Think of it this way; if GMs trade for a guy because he's good on faceoffs and PK; the value will be determined mainly by how good he is on faceoffs and PK.

So why would a guy who is 63% on faceoffs return the same as someone who was 53%?

Not to mention Glendening is younger, scores more and PKs better.

 

[Mersss]

Think of it this way; if GMs trade for a guy because he's good on faceoffs and PK; the value will be determined mainly by how good he is on faceoffs and PK.

So why would a guy who is 63% on faceoffs return the same as someone who was 53%?

Not to mention Glendening is younger, scores more and PKs better.

Cause his, not worth an early rd pick (1-2-3), he's worth a mid rd pick at max (4-5), same as every utility guy who plays on the 4th line. That's it. His value isn't higher cause he plays 10min on a crap team when he'll play 5 on a playoff team.

Especially with the ED coming
Especially with the fact he's a UFA
Especially post-covid / flat cap era

He'll stay a Wings if their GM think they can get a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for a 4th liner.

Wings fan may get a 2nd if they ar taking a bad contract back, otherwhise there's no chance he'll fetch a 2nd or a 3rd rd pick.

 

[TT1]

This thread is full of all kinds of weird analysis.

The statement "all Glendening does is FO's, he does nothing special". is an interesting statement.

I mean what 4th liner in the league is actually "Special". I mean that argument could be extended to all 4th liners.

Glendening is kind of a weird player to analyse. He is a 90% defensive player. He plays a lot of minutes for a 4th line centre, because he is a really solid PK forward. He also throws a lot of hits. Its kind of exactly what you want a 4th liner to do.
He also seems to show up horribly in advanced stats because he never shoots the puck. Detroit's team is also quite bad, and the 4th line never gets shots on goal, so his Corsi has always looked extremely bad. The fact Glendening has an A on his sweater is also a big deal for our team. He trains right, his work out ethic is top notch. He clearly gives it all for the team, and we are fine keeping him. Interestingly Glendening Was also played a lot more than a normal fourth liner in Detroit, as he was given key defensive assignments to cover other teams top centres. This is not a normal fourth line role.

Bottom line is, if you are a poster here that thinks no team should ever pay for 4th liners, and that you should play your kids. Then glendening is worthless to you, regardless of any analysis. However, NHL GM's look for small advantages all the time. And having any kind of "special" talent is useful. And Yes Glendening has become amazing at FO's, but he has also excelled in the past (See TB playoff Series) at shutting down other teams top players. On a good team with actual good players, this would work out well.

I think Glendening should be traded... because our team sucks, and we need kids.

I expect at least a 3rd round pick. It would be nice if we could get a 2nd round pick. (lets wait and see). ( p.s. we would retain salary to make him 900K, this would not be part of the return, but just a requirement to trade him in these salary cap times)

In regards to Danault and Byron (which are strangely discussed more than Lehkonen).
Ya I think Danault fetches a late 1st If someone wants the player. I think MTL should keep Danault.
Byron is relatively highly paid and signed for 3 years. I think moving that contract will be very hard. Especially if you are scratching the player or keeping him in a taxi squad. Thats regardless of the fact he had a very nice set of stats 1-2 years ago.

Why would Danault fetch a late 1st as one the best defensive C's (and he's 4 years younger than Glendening) in the league whilst Glendening would fetch a 2nd? Do you see where the disconnect is?

 

[Steve Shutt]

Nate Thompson went for a 2021 5th (not sure why some are mentioning a 4th)
Montreal Canadiens NHL Trade History - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think Glendening would be a nice add in Montreal if they were confident in a deep playoff run. But at the moment I prefer to give minutes and developmental time to Jake Evans. However, Bergevin could panic and pull the trigger out of fear of losing his job.

Would assume top 10 teams likely willing to pay more than Montreal based on their confidence of competing in the playoffs

 

[Pavels Dog]

Cause his, not worth an early rd pick (1-2-3), he's worth a mid rd pick at max (4-5), same as every utility guy who plays on the 4th line. That's it. His value isn't higher cause he plays 10min on a crap team when he'll play 5 on a playoff team.

Especially with the ED coming
Especially with the fact he's a UFA
Especially post-covid / flat cap era

He'll stay a Wings if their GM think they can get a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for a 4th liner.

Wings fan may get a 2nd if they ar taking a bad contract back, otherwhise there's no chance he'll fetch a 2nd or a 3rd rd pick.

Okay, so basically didn't reply to anything I said.
I guess we'll see. We got a 2nd+3rd out of Brendan Smith who is literally useless and a negative factor on the ice, so it goes to show that it's not always easy to predict. I definitely think Wings can get more than a 4th.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Wings fan may get a 2nd if they ar taking a bad contract back, otherwhise there's no chance he'll fetch a 2nd or a 3rd rd pick.

That lines up quite well with what I am proposing. Glendening at 50% retained for Lehkonen and a 2nd. Gives us a veteran 4C and an extra 1.5M in cap-space.

Neither the Habs or Detroit will qualify Lehkonen.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

This thread is full of all kinds of weird analysis.

The statement "all Glendening does is FO's, he does nothing special". is an interesting statement.

I mean what 4th liner in the league is actually "Special". I mean that argument could be extended to all 4th liners.

Glendening is kind of a weird player to analyse. He is a 90% defensive player. He plays a lot of minutes for a 4th line centre, because he is a really solid PK forward. He also throws a lot of hits. Its kind of exactly what you want a 4th liner to do.
He also seems to show up horribly in advanced stats because he never shoots the puck. Detroit's team is also quite bad, and the 4th line never gets shots on goal, so his Corsi has always looked extremely bad. The fact Glendening has an A on his sweater is also a big deal for our team. He trains right, his work out ethic is top notch. He clearly gives it all for the team, and we are fine keeping him. Interestingly Glendening Was also played a lot more than a normal fourth liner in Detroit, as he was given key defensive assignments to cover other teams top centres. This is not a normal fourth line role.

Bottom line is, if you are a poster here that thinks no team should ever pay for 4th liners, and that you should play your kids. Then glendening is worthless to you, regardless of any analysis. However, NHL GM's look for small advantages all the time. And having any kind of "special" talent is useful. And Yes Glendening has become amazing at FO's, but he has also excelled in the past (See TB playoff Series) at shutting down other teams top players. On a good team with actual good players, this would work out well.

I think Glendening should be traded... because our team sucks, and we need kids.

I expect at least a 3rd round pick. It would be nice if we could get a 2nd round pick. (lets wait and see). ( p.s. we would retain salary to make him 900K, this would not be part of the return, but just a requirement to trade him in these salary cap times)

In regards to Danault and Byron (which are strangely discussed more than Lehkonen).
Ya I think Danault fetches a late 1st If someone wants the player. I think MTL should keep Danault.
Byron is relatively highly paid and signed for 3 years. I think moving that contract will be very hard. Especially if you are scratching the player or keeping him in a taxi squad. Thats regardless of the fact he had a very nice set of stats 1-2 years ago.

To be fair, Byron has only been sent down to the taxi on off days for cap reasons. I don't recall him being a healthy scratch this season. Doesn't change much as far as his trade-ability goes though.

 

[barrie colts]

So you're offering a 2nd + Byron to Seattle for nothing, and you're offering a 2nd + Byron for Glendening. If the 2nd is what it costs to move Byron's contract to Seattle then start there and add if you want Glendening coming back.

Your premise is flawed....
Glendening is worth a 4th, at best mid to late 3rd to the right team.
If Detroit wants a 2nd for Glendening they need to take $$$ back. (Bad contract)

Either way Mtl should be able to get Byron's contract taken away with an incentive (2nd round).

The question is what is more important to Mtl.
Glendening now or Chariot/Edmunston/Allen etc... for the next few years.

IMO.... It's too late for a US team to trade with a Canadian team.
6 weeks left in the regular season.
14 days quarantine + very tight standing. (Playoffs are not guaranteed)

Not worth it.
A month ago.... Yes

Seattle is a more logical scenario.

 

[FireBird71]

No problem here! We'll sign Glendening this summer for free after he realises he'll never win anything with the Wings for the reminder of his career!

He won’t win in Montreal either LOL

 

[ThankGord]

Your premise is flawed....
Glendening is worth a 4th, at best mid to late 3rd to the right team.
If Detroit wants a 2nd for Glendening they need to take $$$ back. (Bad contract)

Either way Mtl should be able to get Byron's contract taken away with an incentive (2nd round).

The question is what is more important to Mtl.
Glendening now or Chariot/Edmunston/Allen etc... for the next few years.

IMO.... It's too late for a US team to trade with a Canadian team.
6 weeks left in the regular season.
14 days quarantine + very tight standing. (Playoffs are not guaranteed)

Not worth it.
A month ago.... Yes

Seattle is a more logical scenario.

How is my premise flawed if Montreal would pay a 2nd alone to Seattle to move Byron? By your valuation the trade would be Byron +the 2nd to move the contract and then add a 3rd to pay for Glendening. Upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd isn't enough to cover 2 years at 3.4 for a taxi squad player.

I see Tampa as a more likely landing spot, Cooper loves Glendening. Seems to me that Habs fans don't truly want him anyway with how much they're talking him down in this thread. There are a dozen other teams we can send him to, we don't need to accept the weak offers here.

 

[Mersss]

How is my premise flawed if Montreal would pay a 2nd alone to Seattle to move Byron? By your valuation the trade would be Byron +the 2nd to move the contract and then add a 3rd to pay for Glendening. Upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd isn't enough to cover 2 years at 3.4 for a taxi squad player.

I see Tampa as a more likely landing spot, Cooper loves Glendening. Seems to me that Habs fans don't truly want him anyway with how much they're talking him down in this thread. There are a dozen other teams we can send him to, we don't need to accept the weak offers here.

Tampa does not have their 2nd round pick in the 2021 draft, so the best you'll get is still a 3rd, and even then...

 

[ThankGord]

Tampa does not have their 2nd round pick in the 2021 draft, so the best you'll get is still a 3rd, and even then...

There are years that come after 2021.

 

[Mersss]

There are years that come after 2021.

You think you'd be able to get a 2nd in a draft as deep as the 2022 or 2023 drafts? keep on dreaming!