I think Offman and Ptlick for a 2nd is already a win. Not a massive win but i'd say a win. We are talking about a fringe NHL player and a vet nobody wants.
The trade wasn't Hoffman and Pitlick for a 2nd. Petry's a two year cap dump we took on + that goalie with the 1.8m cap hit... so you can't just split the trade in half and say this one half is a win. Nobody wanted Petry at 4.6x2 from the Pens. He's a cap dump just like Hoffman was. Hoffman has an expiring contract and Petry's expires when he's 37 -- both are equally unattractive to a competitive teams.
I'd agree that other teams are likely more interested in the hockey player Petry than hockey player Hoffman but at the right price (cap hit) and so that's where we find ourselves waiting: in anticipation for the right price to reveal itself.
In the below threads you were willing to buyout Armia and Hoffman for no return at all. So, I presume that even if Hughes gets a 7th for Petry, you would be happy with the deal considering you were willing for the habs to carry deadcap without any return at all?
Maybe touting this trade as a win isn't premature after all given your prior convictions about carrying dead cap?
P.S. I find it comical how you are doing your darndest to pretzel your way out of complimenting this trade when Hughes managed to get rid of a player you wanted to buy out, brought back assets, including a tradeable player who can be moves with a retention cost less than what you were willing to spend in buy outs.
If Hughes sells Petry for nothing and doesn't retain, I think the trade is a minor W. Nothing to celebrate, it's a paper shuffling move in the end. A 2nd to take on the cap hit of the 1.8m G and no penalties for getting rid of Hoffman is pretty good. But we don't have that right now, we have Petry's 4.6m on the books for this and next season. Until the move is completed we can't know what it'll look like. If the Habs have to retain 2.3m for 24-25 then the return for Petry@50% better be good.
Re your PS: The rumoured retention cost of 2.3m (50% of 4.6) is larger than the net yearly cap penalty from the
two proposed buyouts. So, you should update your foolish post-script and stop trying to bite my ankle.
Taking on Petry's 4.6m in 24-25 is absolutely
not worth a PIT's 2nd round pick and that's the problem I have with premature celebration. Until that 4.6m commitment is off the books OR Petry's cap hit partially retained for a worthwhile return... the trade is incomplete or neutral
at best. Of course this is my opinion, I know how some of you get whenever anybody criticizes the Habs GM. Or doesn't instantly declare any move he makes as a big Win. Feisty.
If Armia was bought out this off-season the Habs would've had cap SAVINGS of 3.3, 2.3, (1.4), (1.4) in the following four cap-seasons. If Hoffman was bought out the Habs would've had cap SAVINGS of 3.3, (1.6) in the following two cap-seasons.
Net result would've been a whopping 6.6m in extra cap space in 23-24 (+ two roster spots to use on FAs/capdumps), 0.7m in extra cap space in 24-25, and -1.4m penalties in the following two season.
The difference between inexplicably taking on Jeff Petry's 4.6m for '24-25 and
saving 0.7m is... 5.3m. You're math is off by cool 5.3m. Cheers thanks.