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[Prince Pasta]

two D1 teams in NH and neither a "ridiculous" drive from Manchester (especially UNH).

ECHL could work if its as a Bruins affiliate, fans may be more excited to someone that *MAY* (more likely a goalie) play for the big club if its not a AAA product.

Shame to think how strong of a foothold the AHL used to have in New England and its all gone, Worcester, Portland, Manchester, Lowell, etc.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

two D1 teams in NH and neither a "ridiculous" drive from Manchester (especially UNH).

ECHL could work if its as a Bruins affiliate, fans may be more excited to someone that *MAY* (more likely a goalie) play for the big club if its not a AAA product.

Shame to think how strong of a foothold the AHL used to have in New England and its all gone, Worcester, Portland, Manchester, Lowell, etc.

A echl bruins affiliate is better than any other option the ahl is not coming.

 

[wildcat48]

Bruins have been generally disinterested in minor league happenings. As long as their prospects get developed, they couldn’t care less. They don’t own the P-Bruins. They just send their prospects there and couldn’t care less about anything else that happens.

Correct, they do not own the P-Bruins, but they were instrumental in getting them to move from Maine to Providence based on the benefits of Delaware North getting the food service rights to the arena.

 

[GarbageGoal]

Bruins have been generally disinterested in minor league happenings. As long as their prospects get developed, they couldn’t care less. They don’t own the P-Bruins. They just send their prospects there and couldn’t care less about anything else that happens.

Oh, Jacobs cares that the building is almost full every night so he can rake in the dough on the overpriced Delaware North food.

 

[JMCx4]

two D1 teams in NH and neither a "ridiculous" drive from Manchester (especially UNH). ...

IMO, a major attraction left missing for avid hockey fans who switch allegiances from pros to the college game is the longer season in pros. I mix my annual hockey watching among the two, because my enthusiasm stretches from early fall into late spring/early summer (with summer providing me time to plan for the next season). I'd think hockey fans in New England would have similar tendencies, with the seasonal weather changes dictating the length of their emotional "hockey season." If a pro franchise could leverage the early & late season periods to draw fans when local/regional college hockey is dormant, perhaps that could help their bottom line as well as gain them return customers.

 

[BruinsFan37]

Oh, Jacobs cares that the building is almost full every night so he can rake in the dough on the overpriced Delaware North food.

No kidding. Last time I went to see the baby B's i was shocked at the concession prices.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

The QMJHL has talked to Manchester La LHJMQ veut un club en Montérégie - La Presse+ its in french its hard to translate 100 percent.

 

[mk80]

The last three paragraphs of the article posted by @Centrum Hockey according to Google Translate:

There is still a plan for expansion in the league. Two new clubs, New England. The goal? Develop this territory on which the league has rights for Canada. The expansion would be justified by an increase in the number of US players.
"We had contact with Manchester, New Hampshire. The city lost its franchise of the American League. She is ready [for a new club]. We gave them our conditions. We are waiting for them to come back to us. You have to look at it seriously. "
The other market? He refuses to reveal it. In all likelihood, it would be in Maine. The QMJHL has already had a franchise in Lewiston from 2003 to 2011.
"The territory of New England belongs to us. It must be developed. You have to have a presence there. "

 

[hurricanesfan123]

The QMJHL has talked to Manchester La LHJMQ veut un club en Montérégie - La Presse+ its in french its hard to translate 100 percent.

interesting now its a waiting game to see what happens

 

[hurricanesfan123]

The QMJHL has talked to Manchester La LHJMQ veut un club en Montérégie - La Presse+ its in french its hard to translate 100 percent.

when do you think an announcement would happen if they come to an agreement?

 

[hurricanesfan123]

but

 

[mk80]

but

Expansion or not, that reply seems pretty standard as I highly doubt they would confirm or announce potential expansion in a message reply unless it was officially announced that it was happening.

Outside of Manchester it's interesting to hear the article mention Maine, if anyone is from up that way where is a suitable arena/location for a team. Lewiston/Auburn now has NAHL, Portland with ECHL, what other locations are left up there?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Expansion or not, that reply seems pretty standard as I highly doubt they would confirm or announce potential expansion in a message reply unless it was officially announced that it was happening.

Outside of Manchester it's interesting to hear the article mention Maine, if anyone is from up that way where is a suitable arena/location for a team. Lewiston/Auburn now has NAHL, Portland with ECHL, what other locations are left up there?

zero, tbth, mk80:

in all honesty, Manchester should be wary of the Q, ESPECIALLY if Courteau is running the league, and how Lewiston was tried and essentially terminated after 8 seasons, despite the franchise being a founding member, (Trois-Rivieres Draveurs) I seriously doubt the league has changed much since then

actually, Lewiston has the NA3/NAHL, Twin City Thunder is the American equivalent being the USPHL @ Norway Savings Bank Arena, which less seating capacity than the Nordiques have at the Colisee despite 2 rinks.

any further north, Augusta has no to little interest, and then you run into D1 Territory in Bangor/Orono, which likely isn't the ideal to combat a state University on its territory to start a Tier II OR III program

 

[BruinsFan37]

I don't think the Q would work in Manchester, certainly not in SNHU Arena.

Going from the AHL (top tier NHL prospects)... to the ECHL (2nd tier minor league fans that have a least heard of)... to the QMJHL (a league that few people outside of hockey diehards have heard of) is not going to work. It's going to seem like a further downgrade from even the ECHL (though its going from has-been's and never-was's to may never be's) and the fans are not going to buy it.

The only way Manchester gets a team back is in the ECHL... with competent local management that actually cares.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

I don't think the Q would work in Manchester, certainly not in SNHU Arena.

Going from the AHL (top tier NHL prospects)... to the ECHL (2nd tier minor league fans that have a least heard of)... to the QMJHL (a league that few people outside of hockey diehards have heard of) is not going to work. It's going to seem like a further downgrade from even the ECHL (though its going from has-been's and never-was's to may never be's) and the fans are not going to buy it.

The only way Manchester gets a team back is in the ECHL... with competent local management that actually cares.

it is now a logistical nightmare to field a US Based team in the LMJHQ, every year that Lewiston did, it was a miracle every year the franchise got to opening night, with the H2B1 ISSUES, as hockey players had to be treated/classified as tourists, so visa expenses would be incurred, and no guarantee those would be cleared for training camp/season....

Best bet if Manchester wants another hockey team, if not the ECHL, WOULD likely be the NAHL/NA3HL, since they already have the NCDC Monarchs, and less logistical hoops to deal with.

 

[wildcat48]

The Q is not coming back to Maine.... And, frankly I do not see them going to Manchester. If people were turned off by the ECHL they will be even more turned off by the QMJHL.

 

[PCSPounder]

it is now a logistical nightmare to field a US Based team in the LMJHQ, every year that Lewiston did, it was a miracle every year the franchise got to opening night, with the H2B1 ISSUES, as hockey players had to be treated/classified as tourists, so visa expenses would be incurred, and no guarantee those would be cleared for training camp/season....

Best bet if Manchester wants another hockey team, if not the ECHL, WOULD likely be the NAHL/NA3HL, since they already have the NCDC Monarchs, and less logistical hoops to deal with.

I do recall two American teams making the Memorial Cup the last four years. From the WHL and the OHL. You may have heard of those leagues.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

I do recall two American teams making the Memorial Cup the last four years. From the WHL and the OHL. You may have heard of those leagues.

this is the Q, PCS, Courteau is in a different category than either of those two leagues, why was always a failing market steered toward Montreal as a fallback.... and this was a founding franchise in that league, and what was the result then, terminate the founding member club, to give Sherbrooke an expansion franchise, it has nothing to do with either the OHL/WHL

 

[Captain Crash]

this is the Q, PCS, Courteau is in a different category than either of those two leagues, why was always a failing market steered toward Montreal as a fallback.... and this was a founding franchise in that league, and what was the result then, terminate the founding member club, to give Sherbrooke an expansion franchise, it has nothing to do with either the OHL/WHL

What is the different category? Why is one member league of the CHL categorized differently than the other two?

 

[JMCx4]

What is the different category? Why is one member league of the CHL categorized differently than the other two?

It's all categorically ridiculous.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

What is the different category? Why is one member league of the CHL categorized differently than the other two?

where does La Presse mention either the OHL/WHL in the article, simply put, the Q thinks it has a right to New England then where have they been since 2011, and why were they so focused on shoving failing franchises into Montreal, where you'd have to compete with the behemoth that is the Canadiens, CC, it's the same BS that you see that Quebec City 'deserves' their Nordiques BACK, how well has that worked out and add in the Remparts layer on top of that, which the fanbase clearly supports....

Courteau cannot be trusted and it's a moot point now, let it go.... the Q will never reenter the US, whether it be Manchester or elsewhere..... it's too restrictive to even attempt another franchise, and it started when the Q was here in Lewiston, 1st article every year wasn't the team returning but the visa restriction and all of that sidebar, you felt bad for Just and the then ownership that it became too much to overcome.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

It's all categorically ridiculous.

yeah, the whole article is ridiculous, tbth.....Lewiston has moved on

 

[Captain Crash]

where does La Presse mention either the OHL/WHL in the article, simply put, the Q thinks it has a right to New England then where have they been since 2011, and why were they so focused on shoving failing franchises into Montreal, where you'd have to compete with the behemoth that is the Canadiens, CC, it's the same BS that you see that Quebec City 'deserves' their Nordiques BACK, how well has that worked out and add in the Remparts layer on top of that, which the fanbase clearly supports....

Courteau cannot be trusted and it's a moot point now, let it go.... the Q will never reenter the US, whether it be Manchester or elsewhere..... it's too restrictive to even attempt another franchise, and it started when the Q was here in Lewiston, 1st article every year wasn't the team returning but the visa restriction and all of that sidebar, you felt bad for Just and the then ownership that it became too much to overcome.

YOU mentioned the OHL/WHL. I was asking a question about YOUR post. None of your rambling answered it.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

YOU mentioned the OHL/WHL. I was asking a question about YOUR post. None of your rambling answered it.

then why are you responding to it, then, CC, since when is La Presse a credible source for pro hockey content, especially when it has been debunked by what sources that claim New England is Q Territory,why haven't they tried since 2011, if they claim it's their territory..... New Hampshire, aka Manchester, will run into the same scenario as to why junior hockey aka Hockey Canada doesn't work in the Northeast, add to that the suggestion of more than 1 franchise in addition to Manchester, and presently was DENIED..... YOU'RE not reentering Portland as long as the E is there, Lewiston/Auburn/Biddeford/Saco IS EITHER NCDC/NAHL/NA3HL, (keep forgetting the Maine Wild is still here).... Augusta is not interested, and then you run closer to NCAA D1 the further North/ Northeast from there..... Bangor/Orono is Collegiate territory, the OHL/WHL aren't as restrictive , it seems, but the same person remains in charge of the Q, and that's why it's not a good idea for Manchester to go that route, based off what Just et all dealt with, and that didn't include upgrading the arena in 2003, before they got here.

How much clearer can you get

 

[PCSPounder]

then why are you responding to it, then, CC, since when is La Presse a credible source for pro hockey content, especially when it has been debunked by what sources that claim New England is Q Territory,why haven't they tried since 2011, if they claim it's their territory..... New Hampshire, aka Manchester, will run into the same scenario as to why junior hockey aka Hockey Canada doesn't work in the Northeast, add to that the suggestion of more than 1 franchise in addition to Manchester, and presently was DENIED..... YOU'RE not reentering Portland as long as the E is there, Lewiston/Auburn/Biddeford/Saco IS EITHER NCDC/NAHL/NA3HL, (keep forgetting the Maine Wild is still here).... Augusta is not interested, and then you run closer to NCAA D1 the further North/ Northeast from there..... Bangor/Orono is Collegiate territory, the OHL/WHL aren't as restrictive , it seems, but the same person remains in charge of the Q, and that's why it's not a good idea for Manchester to go that route, based off what Just et all dealt with, and that didn't include upgrading the arena in 2003, before they got here.

How much clearer can you get

I don't think you grasp much of this at all.

The WHL claims a territory in the United States from Minnesota all the way south and all the way west... but they're never going to put a franchise in Omaha. The territory that is addressed is in regards to PLAYER eligibility. Players residing in Ontario (and points south) who choose to play Major Junior play in the Ontario league, players in the West play in the WHL, players in New England and parts of the East Coast play in Quebec.

There's another territorial issue... the teams in the WHL US Division aren't far from Vancouver and the Lower Mainland, the previous incarnation of the Edmonton Oil Kings moved to Portland in 1977 or so, and- present day- a nice cozy 5-team US Division nestles in rather close to British Columbia. There used to be a team in Billings, Montana, but that didn't last long (that might have been a bit south of the travel tolerance level for Alberta and Saskatchewan teams in the league). New England is most certainly close enough to current Quebec League teams to make something viable. With the right ownership, some city like Manchester could conceivably make a go of it... provided potential fans get over college and pro biases and embrace the game. That last sentence is, of course, a tricky issue... but when you're in this Portland, you can talk about having watched Marian Hossa and Cam Neely and the like who played in Portland and went almost straight to the big show.