MLB off-season news & notes thread - Part 2
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Blackhawkswincup
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Sox should push for Bell in a Q deal
Have Bell at DH until Abreu is moved at deadline
Bell would give Sox 1B of future
Have Bell at DH until Abreu is moved at deadline
Bell would give Sox 1B of future
rangerssharks414
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I think Bell would be a better right fielder. He doesn't have that much experience playing first.
rangerssharks414
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Blackhawkswincup
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I thought that Pirates had moved him to 1B and he was learning position/adjusting to it?
Big McLargehuge
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The Pirates have the assets to trade for Quintana twice over...it's just a question of how wise it would be to move.
As a Pirates fan I'd consider Keller untouchable (I think BA may have been a little overzealous rating him ahead of Glasnow already...but I wouldn't be surprised if Keller is in the discussion for best pitching prospect by the midpoint of the season, Meadows effectively untouchable given the uncertainty of McCutchen's future and the fact that Meadows essentially represents the Pirates entire OF depth outside of the Majors, and Bell is awfully tough to move given how weak the Pirates are organizationally at 1B (trading him means Freese is the everyday starting 1B with the best internal replacement being drafted 6 months ago).
Still, take those 3 off the table (and I don't think Bell is off the table...he'd just require a replacement elsewhere, which makes it harder to deal him) and there's still the pieces to get it done with Glasnow being a top 10 prospect, Newman making his debut on BA's top 100 at the mid-season at #51 and likely moving up a good deal once the pre-season list comes out (I'm stupidly high on this kid), Hayes being a top 75 prospect, guys like Brault and Hanson being Major League-ready, and guys like Tucker, Craig, Yeudy Garcia, Kramer, Moroff, etc. being in that 7-20 range organizationally.
Like Huntington I may be a bit too smitten with a lot of these guys to pull the trigger. This is where I'd be an awful GM...too enamored with my own toys.
rangerssharks414
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Big McLargehuge
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Plus if you want to collect players named Kevin with last names shared by Seinfeld characters, there's always Kevin Kramer.
Blackhawkswincup
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MurrayBannerman
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Glasnow isn't a top 10 prospect anymore.
I really don't see how you can get Quintana without including at least two of the three you pulled off the table. You're essentially doing with the Yankees are.
Quid Pro Clowe
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Big McLargehuge
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Frankly I'm fine not paying the price. Buyer is not a role I'm used to the Bucs being in
GIN ANTONIC
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Frankly I'm fine not paying the price. Buyer is not a role I'm used to the Bucs being in
I think the point is that Q isn't a buy low candidate in any sense. His value is max right now and he's signed for 4 years super cheap. WS have no reason to trade him for anything less than a high return since time is on their side and they could hold on to Q for another year or two and then still get a great package.
Big McLargehuge
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Never thought he was, he's the definition of a buy high - for as great of a pitcher as he is that contract holds nearly as much value as he as a player does, especially to a team like the Pirates.
There's just certain prospects that I don't feel that the Pirates can afford to deal. Meadows represents the entire OF pipeline, and given that I don't expect McCutchen to be around this time next year he's not someone I'd be okay trading. Keller is a rising stud and if he continues to develop the way he has then he's a likely Cole replacement (we all know Cole isn't signing long-term in Pittsburgh, not with Boras as his agent), and Bell is outright the starting 1B. Those three are effectively untouchable in my eyes, and any deal precluded on including them ends in a dead end.
It's not like I'm walling off the entire prospect core, though...that still leaves Glasnow, Newman, Hayes, Brault, Tucker, Craig, et. al. as on the table. If that's not enough to get a deal done for Quintana then the price is just too high for me. The ChiSox don't need to deal him and they're sitting in the position of power and the Pirates have to weigh the pros and cons of making such a move at such a lofty price tag.
Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
Why is Glasnow someone most Pirate fans are pushing out door in Q discussion?
What is wrong with him that you guys are so in rush to get rid of him?
What is wrong with him that you guys are so in rush to get rid of him?
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
For me, it's the risk/reward. I'd rather have the surefire #2 starter than gamble on Glasnow being that stud #1 with the way the Pirates and their pipeline is currently constructed.
Edit- I'd be upset moving Glasnow, but like Big said you have to give to get.
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Big McLargehuge
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Who is pushing Glasnow out the door? You have to give something up to get something, and Glasnow is the easiest one to deal given that Quintana would effectively be taking his rotation spot in a best case scenario.
Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
Comments like this on Pirates thread on your board
There are more if I go back to yesterday
Why are Pirate fans/organization starting to view Glasnow negatively? Why is he a prospect on decline according to some?
Why should Sox want a prospect on decline? Why would a prospect on decline be a big haul?
- Your statement
There are more if I go back to yesterday
Why are Pirate fans/organization starting to view Glasnow negatively? Why is he a prospect on decline according to some?
Why should Sox want a prospect on decline? Why would a prospect on decline be a big haul?
MurrayBannerman
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Big McLargehuge
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He isn't worth as much as he was last year, that doesn't mean he's on a rapid decline to irrelevance. He was the consensus #2 pitching prospect in baseball this time last year, and now he's been lapped by someone within the organization (Keller). I don't know exactly how to peg his value because he was a top 5 prospect a few months ago and now he may be closer to the 15-20 range.
Then again you thought Meadows was in full free-fall because of an average first month in AAA.
Then again you thought Meadows was in full free-fall because of an average first month in AAA.
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
I don't think the Pirates will have him unseat Cole (until his elbow blows up), but I don't disagree with him being an ace.
An alarmingly large portion of the fan base around Pittsburgh is wondering if it's worth giving up a big haul for a "good 3/4 starter".
Big McLargehuge
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These are the same people who would have abandoned the franchise if they traded McCutchen for obvious baseball reasons...two decades of abuse has left the majority of the Pirates fan base distrustful of anything the Pirates do. Throw in a guy who pitches in the AL that we never get to see and people paint the picture they want to.
It's tough being a logical Pirates fan at times.
GIN ANTONIC
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Sometimes teams have more than one "ace". Dodgers had Kershaw/Greinke. Just because Kershaw isn't human doesn't mean that Greinke was ace caliber. The Braves had a bazillion aces back in the 90's. Boston just ponied up big to get another ace. Like just because Pirates have Cole and consider him their ace, doesn't really change anything in regards to Q's value. If the Bucs won't pay the price, someone else will or the WS will keep him for now.
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
I'm sorry I insulted Quintana by slotting him into the #2 rotation spot should the Pirates trade for him.
I will do my penance by singing "Centerfield" 20 times and reading "Juiced"
I will do my penance by singing "Centerfield" 20 times and reading "Juiced"
