Mitch Marner vs Mikko Rantanen

[Pyrophorus]

Not really. If you’re going to use PPG as a criteria then games played doesn’t matter as much as you’re making it out to be. You’re stressing reasons to make it seem like a bigger gap than it is

Isn't games played a big part of the equation?

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Everyone shits on Marner for playing in the North division cause the defense is so bad, so the same logic should apply to the playoffs: Marner's faced nothing but elite defensive teams in the playoffs, meanwhile Rantanen has played against Martin Jones and the Arizona Coyotes. Also I doubt Rantanen's ever played in the playoffs with a center as bad as 33 year old Tomas Plek

Rantanen had 6 points in 5 games against Zona. Lets not act like his stats are totally inflated because of one series with a bad team.

 

[keglu]

Everyone shits on Marner for playing in the North division cause the defense is so bad, so the same logic should apply to the playoffs: Marner's faced nothing but elite defensive teams in the playoffs, meanwhile Rantanen has played against Martin Jones and the Arizona Coyotes. Also I doubt Rantanen's ever played in the playoffs with a center as bad as 33 year old Tomas Plek

2020 CLB - goals allowed- 187
2020 Arizona- goals allowed -187

 

[All Mod Cons]

Marner does produce more during the regular season. However, he also has clearly not been as solid as Rantanen when it all matters. Somehow this is always ignored by Leafs fans.

Playoffs
Marner 0.84 PPG
5G 16A 21TP 26 Games

Rantanen 1.18 PPG
13G 26A 39TP 33 Games

Probably why Eichel keeps winning polls against Matthews.

 

[Dache]

I never said a thing about how big the gaps were(except when Rantanen slightly out-paced in the season he got less points......Marner's 94 points could be deceiving otherwise.).

I only stated that Marner wins in 3 of he 5 p/gp metrics, and 4 of the 5 points stats.

Not sure what you'd like.

Really?

Marner, by a ZILLION.

 

[Dache]

Probably why Eichel keeps winning polls against Matthews.

What does Matthews or Eichel have to do with this thread? Why are you intentionally derailing threads?

 

[All Mod Cons]

What does Matthews or Eichel have to do with this thread? Why are you intentionally derailing threads?

Fitting in with the crowd. If playoff stats matter here, they should with Eichel and Matthews. But as you, Targaryen and Wetcoast know, they don't.

 

[Dache]

Fitting in with the crowd. If playoff stats matter here, they should with Eichel and Matthews. But as you, Targaryen and Wetcoast know, they don't.

And if goals matter in every Matthews thread then they should here too right? Or is it only the things that fit your agenda to drag Matthews into this that matter?

 

[All Mod Cons]

And if goals matter in every Matthews thread then they should here too right? Or is it only the things that fit your agenda to drag Matthews into this that matter?

I've got no agenda here. I've never posted my feelings over who I think is better here. So you have no idea who I rate higher. You've just made it up. Goals should absolutely count for more at 5vs5. Hardest thing to do in hockey.

 

[CatchyTune]

Im gonna change my vote on this one. I had Marner better than Rantanen going into this year ( i think he was better last year), but Rantanen has had a better season this year i'll admit.

Rantanen really stepped it up in the goal scoring department. 4th in the league right now and playing to about a 50 goal pace over 82.

 

[Dache]

I've got no agenda here. I've never posted my feelings over who I think is better here. So you have no idea who I rate higher. You've just made it up. Goals should absolutely count for more at 5vs5. Hardest thing to do in hockey.

I never said your agenda was saying Marner was better. I said it was to drag this thread into something about Matthews. Which you did. So what have I made up?

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Rantanen had 6 points in 5 games against Zona. Lets not act like his stats are totally inflated because of one series with a bad team.

Yeah but I'd like to see Rantanen play an entire series getting matched against the best defensive line in the history of the NHL. I'm not saying Rantanen is not better than Marner. Just that the stats you posted are a bit misleading

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

2020 CLB - goals allowed- 187
2020 Arizona- goals allowed -187

You don't need to be a scout to know that the 2020 jackets had a top 5 defensive core and the 2020 yotes didn't

 

[Mac Attack]

No idea.

He doesn't get nearly enough respect. At age 23, he's already had a 94 point season, followed by last year's 93 point pace, and this year, he's 3rd in the league in scoring, pacing for 102 points. He's KILLER, but polls like this show how little non Leaf fans think of him. Hell, even some Leaf fans are way too hard on him. Not sure why.

I'm not sure that it's straight up disrespect. There is probably some antileaf bias mixed in. You could argue that the results should be flipped. But the players are close. I'm an Av's fan that would give Marner an edge in the regular season but not in playoffs with reffing changing how it does. Also both players are clearly more valuable to their respective teams than they would be on each others. Perfect fit for both.

 

[Dekes For Days]

they pretty much equal outside of Rantanen rookie year

Except they're not.

Since 2018-2019...

ES P/60

Marner: 3.03
Rantanen: 2.67

PP P/60

Marner: 6.35
Rantanen: 6.29

It's just that instead of getting pumped full of ridiculous amounts of PP time, Marner PKs.

2020 CLB - goals allowed- 187
2020 Arizona- goals allowed -187

Difference is, Columbus got that result by being the best defensive team in the league, and Arizona got that result by being a below average defensive team that got carried by goaltending. And then in the playoffs, Columbus got a record-setting performance from their goaltending, and Arizona's goaltending fell off a cliff. So no, not really the same thing.

 

[Notsince67]

Im gonna change my vote on this one. I had Marner better than Rantanen going into this year ( i think he was better last year), but Rantanen has had a better season this year i'll admit.

Rantanen really stepped it up in the goal scoring department. 4th in the league right now and playing to about a 50 goal pace over 82.

Rantanen is tied for 14th in primary points while Marner is tied for second.

 

[CatchyTune]

Rantanen is tied for 14th in primary points while Marner is tied for second.

Marner has impressed me this year and taken the next step as well. i can see this being due to his elite playmaking ability. but i dont think it can make up for the large gap in goal production. 30 goal pace vs 50 goal pace. while producing very similarly points wise (99 pace for Rantanen 101 point pace for Marner)

one thing that does make it closer for Marner is he is a much better defensive player, and penalty killer. so it is close and can go either way. i just value goals more than most things.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Marner has impressed me this year and taken the next step as well. i can see this being due to his elite playmaking ability. but i dont think it can make up for the large gap in goal production. 30 goal pace vs 50 goal pace. while producing very similarly points wise (99 pace for Rantanen 101 point pace for Marner)

one thing that does make it closer for Marner is he is a much better defensive player, and penalty killer. so it is close and can go either way. i just value goals more than most things.

good points, large gap in goal production, but similar point production.

 

[Garthinater]

And if goals matter in every Matthews thread then they should here too right? Or is it only the things that fit your agenda to drag Matthews into this that matter?

Its funny when they talk about matthews, the only thing that matters is goals, especially 5v5.

Then when marner comes up goals are secondary and points matter far more.

Its strange how they don't even seem to notice the constant flip flopping.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Marner has impressed me this year and taken the next step as well. i can see this being due to his elite playmaking ability. but i dont think it can make up for the large gap in goal production. 30 goal pace vs 50 goal pace. while producing very similarly points wise (99 pace for Rantanen 101 point pace for Marner)

one thing that does make it closer for Marner is he is a much better defensive player, and penalty killer. so it is close and can go either way. i just value goals more than most things.

You are the first Leaf fan to admit there is a pretty significant gap in goals. Not only that, playoffs aren't flattering for Marner either.

 

[Jozay]

Marner

 

[LOFIN]

Still going with Rantanen, because of the style he plays. When you look at who the play with (Rantanen with MacKinnon, Marner with Matthews), both Marner and Rantanen are the perfect complementary players for their respective partners. Not sure how it would work if you switch them up, probably not as well.

If you look at it objectively, I think you can give the edge for Marner because he plays on the PK, Rantanen does not.

 

[Notsince67]

Marner has impressed me this year and taken the next step as well. i can see this being due to his elite playmaking ability. but i dont think it can make up for the large gap in goal production. 30 goal pace vs 50 goal pace. while producing very similarly points wise (99 pace for Rantanen 101 point pace for Marner)

one thing that does make it closer for Marner is he is a much better defensive player, and penalty killer. so it is close and can go either way. i just value goals more than most things.

You must really rank 7 power play goals significantly because there is only a 1 goal difference 5x5

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Isn't games played a big part of the equation?

Only if you somehow believe that not playing games makes your PPG go higher

 

[Golden_Jet]

You must really rank 7 power play goals significantly because there is only a 1 goal difference 5x5

in 7 less games.