Mitch Marner vs Mikko Rantanen

[avsfan9]

Marner gets his points against everyone. He rarely has a pointless night

Same with Rants

 

[Dache]

Matthews has feasted on everyone...unlike Rantanen who still hasnt scored against vegas.
Don't know why you bring up Matthews though

Matthews was brought up already, not by me. And no, he doesn’t “feast on everyone”. Many teams though.

 

[Dache]

Marner's absolutely elite defensively and I think it gets overlooked. I see Matthews was in the media today pointing out he doesn't get enough credit. I don't think there is a single winger in the league I'd rather have.

He is not elite defensively. This is almost as overused as generational already

 

[agent082]

Neither has what it takes to win a cup as a 1st line winger.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Funny for a team who hasn't made it out the first round in like 16 years.

Not sure why you think a decade and a half ago is relevant to the team's quality in the current year.

 

[Muffin]

Not sure why you think a decade and a half ago is relevant to the team's quality in the current year.

Tell me again how much success the current core has had. Is it the choke against Boston? Losing to Columbus in the play ins? Losing to the Zamboni driver? Or losing to Covid Canucks?

 

[Mac2Rants]

Neither has what it takes to win a cup as a 1st line winger.

LOL ok...... Speaking purely of winger talnet without rest of the team maybe you should take a look at your own.

 

[Foppberg]

Stillll Mikko.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Marner's absolutely elite defensively and I think it gets overlooked. I see Matthews was in the media today pointing out he doesn't get enough credit. I don't think there is a single winger in the league I'd rather have.

I don't think Marner gets enough credit for his part in the season Matthews is having.

And I know that's going to ruffle feathers because people will take that to mean I'm saying Matthews is a product of Marner. But that's not the point. The point is that Marner creates so many opportunities for Matthews in the first place to allow him to do what he does best.

It's like when Brett Hull was scoring 70 and 80 goals. Yes, it was his shooting ability that allowed him to score that many goals. But a lot of credit also goes to Adam Oates for creating a lot more opportunities for Hull than most centers would have been able to create for him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tell me again how much success the current core has had.

Making the playoffs every single year after finishing last place, and then going to the limit and losing to some of the best teams and best defensive teams in the entire league, with their best players at age 19-22, never losing to a team with less points than them, is not a valid reason to write an improved version of that team off against worse teams this year.

 

[Garthinater]

I don't think Marner gets enough credit for his part in the season Matthews is having.

And I know that's going to ruffle feathers because people will take that to mean I'm saying Matthews is a product of Marner. But that's not the point. The point is that Marner creates so many opportunities for Matthews in the first place to allow him to do what he does best.

It's like when Brett Hull was scoring 70 and 80 goals. Yes, it was his shooting ability that allowed him to score that many goals. But a lot of credit also goes to Adam Oates for creating a lot more opportunities for Hull than most centers would have been able to create for him.

Seems like almost every player that gets to play with marner ends up having an awesome season. He's just so creative its insane.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Mathematically, why wouldn't it?

I already explained this.

If a player scored 3 points but played 1 game only, his PPG would be 3. It can’t go up or down without playing more games. How can you not figure this out?

 

[Garthinater]

Making the playoffs every single year after finishing last place, and then going to the limit and losing to some of the best teams and best defensive teams in the entire league, with their best players at age 19-22, never losing to a team with less points than them, is not a valid reason to write an improved version of that team off against worse teams this year.

You could've just said "none" instead of this rambling nonsense.

 

[CatchyTune]

Neither has what it takes to win a cup as a 1st line winger.

how on earth did you come to this conclusion? they are both superstar wingers. has to be satire

 

[CatchyTune]

You are the first Leaf fan to admit there is a pretty significant gap in goals. Not only that, playoffs aren't flattering for Marner either.

i agree Rantanen is a more polished playoff performer but i would like to see Marner in a good run before the jury is out on him. but i do admit Rantanen has the clear upper hand at the moment.

 

[CatchyTune]

You must really rank 7 power play goals significantly because there is only a 1 goal difference 5x5

goals are goals man. if there is a 20 goal gap in 82 game pace you have to admit there is a clear advantage.

 

[CatchyTune]

He is not elite defensively. This is almost as overused as generational already

depends on your definition of "elite". he isnt a Stone or O'Reilly but is very good in that regard.

 

[Notsince67]

goals are goals man. if there is a 20 goal gap in 82 game pace you have to admit there is a clear advantage.

I dont value goals a lot higher than primary assists, of which Marner has a ton of relative to Rantanen. There isnt a parallel universe that has Rantanen as a better player. He is good but he ain't that good.

 

[agent082]

how on earth did you come to this conclusion? they are both superstar wingers. has to be satire

Neither hasn't past my eye test when it matter most.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I never said your agenda was saying Marner was better. I said it was to drag this thread into something about Matthews. Which you did. So what have I made up?

Matthews is HF. What is your point?

 

[CTZ181]

He is not elite defensively. This is almost as overused as generational already

This is just absolutely not true. His positioning, IQ, takeaways, tenacity on the puck, all elite.

 

[Plural]

Can't go wrong with either. Maybe Rantanen is bit more dependent on who he plays with. Marner probably can make 4th liners 20 goal scorers.

On the other hand Rantanen seems to step up a notch in the playoffs and Marner has struggled quite a bit.

I'll go with too close to call. Depending on your situation you could legitimately pick either one and be completely happy.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Tell me again how much success the current core has had. Is it the choke against Boston? Losing to Columbus in the play ins? Losing to the Zamboni driver? Or losing to Covid Canucks?

No doubt they've written their history in stone by their early 20's.

You trying to set a record for silly points?

 

[Muffin]

No doubt they've written their history in stone by their early 20's.

You trying to set a record for silly points?

Love your optimism, hard to stay that positive after 54 years of failure.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Love your optimism, hard to stay that positive after 54 years of failure.

Hey if we wrote history based on what happened by their age, we'd assume MacKinnon to be a career 50-60 guy, no?