News: Mitch Marner Contract Mega-Thread (mod warning post 990)

[Divine]

Theyre all adults. Im sure Matthews and Nylander arent gonna get their panties in a bunch over their friend trying to get his fair money.

What's your offersheet to Marner?

 

[JAK]

Well, for starters, because he threw his friends Matthews and Nylander under the bus. He basically said both players took every cent they could, and I'm sure both players disagree. Also, because presumably now all 3 would be questioned about their thoughts.

Nylander literally held out for money.
Matthews just signed, absolutely the most player friendly deal in the past decade.

These two 'friends' basically threw the ball in Marner's court, telling him to sign for low amount to stay, while they fatten their own pockets.

 

[Divine]

Nylander literally held out for money.
Matthews just signed, absolutely the most player friendly deal in the past decade.

These two 'friends' basically threw the ball in Marner's court, telling him to sign for low amount to stay, while they fatten their own pockets.

Okay, if a team is willing to pay Marner more... then offer sheet him. If not, why do they care what the Leafs are offering?

 

[Section88]

What's your offersheet to Marner?

Not worth considering offersheeting marner since the leafs would no doubt match it. But shouldnt they just pay Mitch the same as Matthews then any potential drama would be wiped out?

 

[Divine]

Not worth considering offersheeting marner since the leafs would no doubt match it. But shouldnt they just pay Mitch the same as Matthews then any potential drama would be wiped out?

No, because he has no leverage. If Marner wants Matthews contract, he can sit out and wait for an offersheet (which won't happen at that price). Panarin is going to be cheaper. Point is going to be cheaper. If Rantanen gets less than Matthews, Marner is not getting the same.

 

[Pez68]

Those that believe he did this without Marner's knowledge are out to lunch. I'm guessing the offers they were presenting to Marner were insulting when you look at what Matthews just got. That would explain the timing.

"Wait, you paid Matthews WHAT? After offering us this??"

 

[Section88]

No, because he has no leverage. If Marner wants Matthews contract, he can sit out. Panarin is going to be cheaper. Point is going to be cheaper. If Rantanen gets less than Matthews, Marner is not getting the same.

Most of what im seeing is that hes worth the same if not more than Auston. Panarin will maybe be a mill cheaper, unless he signs in income taxless florida. (I know horrible grammar). Rantanen is a great comparable, does he have another year on his ELC or no? How long to wait to see the results on his new contract?

 

[Drake1588]

That is fine. We can flip Marner or get 4 1st round picks, and go out and sign another star. Does not bother me.

What will happen is Mitch and his family will have to answer question after question after question because of this, and I am sure AM and Willy didn't appreciate the contract insults.

Marner doesn't primarily care about answering questions, or angering his GM, his coach, his friends, or his fans. He doesn't care about being a Toronto Maple Leaf... not more than he cares about getting paid, at least.

If there is a lesson to be learned, it is this: Everyone is going to get paid. Shanahan, Dubas, Babcock, Tavares, Nylander, Matthews, and Marner. The next to give a discount for the good of the team will be the first, and he will be a sucker.

Marner will be a Leaf. The Leafs would still match any offer sheets. Nylander will probably not be a Leaf. At least he got paid first.

It's not personal. It's just business.

 

[glovesave_35]

In my opinion, Toronto needs to be strong and tell Marner that he needs to fire Ferris and apologize for these comments. This is really ugly on all parts and it can break apart a locker room.

This is ridiculous. No team would tell a player to fire his agent over something like this.

 

[Divine]

Most of what im seeing is that hes worth the same if not more than Auston. Panarin will maybe be a mill cheaper, unless he signs in income taxless florida. (I know horrible grammar). Rantanen is a great comparable, does he have another year on his ELC or no? How long to wait to see the results on his new contract?

No, both Rantanen and Point are outscoring Marner and RFA's this year. Point is Marner's closest comparable, Rantanen has significantly more points.

 

[Section88]

No, both Rantanen and Point are outscoring Marner and RFA's this year. Point is Marner's closest comparable, Rantanen has significantly more points.

Gotcha

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Good on marner matthews and nylander.... hopefully kapanen and johnssen get what they are worth.

Givin tavares that contract knowing the sitution, and claiming youll keep the big 3 was a dangerous move.

 

[HTFN]

Don't know what to say, I guess that's your opinion.

I understand that you guys don't like the way it's unfolding, but removing your emotions from the equation, tell me why this is Marner's camp's problem? Why should he throw his hands up and accept less than he's worth (by Leafs fans' own admission) because others got to the well first?

And how are lunatics in this thread honestly suggesting that the player should fire his agent for making life difficult for the team, or because he crossed some "line" by telling the truth. Should Marner's camp just sit demurely and hope for a better future while they add extra money on to everyone else's contracts?

 

[Holymakinaw]

Here's hoping it's all a huge disaster, eh anti-Leaf fans?

 

[DanM]

I understand that you guys don't like the way it's unfolding, but removing your emotions from the equation, tell me why this is Marner's camp's problem? Why should he throw his hands up and accept less than he's worth (by Leafs fans' own admission) because others got to the well first?

And how are lunatics in this thread honestly suggesting that the player should fire his agent for making life difficult for the team, or because he crossed some "line" by telling the truth. Should Marner's camp just sit demurely and hope for a better future while they add extra money on to everyone else's contracts?

Ask yourself this

Pasta has more points
Point has more points
Kuch has WAY more points
Rantanan has WAY more points
Kane has more points
Wheeler has more points

Pasta is signed for under 7, and Kuch is at 9.5. In what world is Marner worth 11-12, or even 10?

I would venture to say that Dubas has no issue paying him 9m per year, and that is NOT a discount, like AM and Willy who also didn't take one.

And this is business

 

[Divine]

I understand that you guys don't like the way it's unfolding, but removing your emotions from the equation, tell me why this is Marner's camp's problem? Why should he throw his hands up and accept less than he's worth (by Leafs fans' own admission) because others got to the well first?

And how are lunatics in this thread honestly suggesting that the player should fire his agent for making life difficult for the team, or because he crossed some "line" by telling the truth. Should Marner's camp just sit demurely and hope for a better future while they add extra money on to everyone else's contracts?

How about you tell us, how is this going to result in Marner getting more money?

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Ask yourself this

Pasta has more points
Point has more points
Kuch has WAY more points
Rantanan has WAY more points
Kane has more points
Wheeler has more points

Pasta is signed for under 7, and Kuch is at 9.5. In what world is Marner worth 11-12, or even 10?

Matthews is making 11.6 and Marner is outproducing him.

 

[96]

Haha looked back and realized that could be misinterpreted

To Confirm:
@Heart Eater I agree w you
Ferris - Shut the **** up

Haha yea I got it, f*** this Ferris guy

Matthews is making 11.6 and Marner is outproducing him.

When Dubas was asked why Matthews is worth 11.6 he stated he scores goals at an elite, elite level and plays C in the NHL for the Toronto Maple Leafs

 

[DanM]

Matthews is making 11.6 and Marner is outproducing him.

How much time did Matthews miss?

I am also pretty sure if you look at every underlying metric, plus GPG and position Matty plays, this is not close, and he has way more positional responsibility.

You know if Matthews has no injuries the last two years, he is the leading scorer on the team, and quite easily.

In fact, how many goals did AM have last year, and factor in he missed over 20 games to injury? how many did Marner have? what was Marner's PPG? what was his per 60?

 

[Ivan13]

Ask yourself this

Pasta has more points
Point has more points
Kuch has WAY more points
Rantanan has WAY more points
Kane has more points
Wheeler has more points

Pasta is signed for under 7, and Kuch is at 9.5. In what world is Marner worth 11-12, or even 10?

I would venture to say that Dubas has no issue paying him 9m per year, and that is NOT a discount, like AM and Willy who also didn't take one.

And this is business

What is the point of bringing up players who signed these deals years ago? The guy who plays on the same team and is on level with Marner has just signed a huge deal. That's the comparable, not a guy who signed years ago.

 

[saffronleaf]

Well yah...Matthews is being paid as a player that Toronto hopes he can be, and Marner is being told that what he's actually done, isn't as valuable. Dubas picked the wrong hill to die on.

If people think Marner will just take 9m, and not sign an offer sheet for 11-12m, they are delusional.

It's win-win for Toronto. 4 1sts for Marner and $10m in freed up cap space? Deal.

 

[DanM]

What is the point of bringing up players who signed these deals years ago? The guy who plays on the same team and is on level with Marner has just signed a huge deal. That's the comparable, not a guy who signed years ago.

Pasta, Kuch, and Wheeler just signed.

Also, Matty missed over 20 games last year, and what...15 this year. Plays C, has more responsibility, and has an edge in almost every metric.

This is not close, they are not comparable.

Marner led this team in scoring because AM was hurt. If healthy, this is a laughable comparison.

It's also funny you bring up comparables on his own team. Did people not bring up McDavids contract when discussing AM? do you think Willy didn't look at Drai?

Comparable contracts are not limited to your team. You can be damn sure if a more expensive comparable was located outside the Leafs roster, the players would be all over it for leverage.

The bar for wingers is set with Kuch at 9.5, everyone else can fall into place. I am sure he can be replaced if he is looking for 11m a damn year lol 1.5m more than a 100pt winger and Hart candidate.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Oh.....damn. Potentially going to get very ugly

one can hope

 

[Divine]

Marner has too many comparables to be asking this much.

Leafs just need to wait for Aho & Point, and when they get under 10M, the Leafs offer a similar contract. Slightly less than Point because he's a centre.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Marner has too many comparables to be asking this much.

Leafs just need to wait for Aho & Point, and when they get under 10M, the Leafs offer a similar contract. Slightly less than Point because he's a centre.

There is zero chance Aho comes in under 10 unless he really doesnt give a f*** and the only reason Point would is because its Tampa and he almost needs to to stay