Miscellaneous NHL Talk, 2018 edition

[The Burdened]

The problem will be going down the line. How much are Coots, Patrick, Provorov, Konecny and the like going to want and get when their deals expire? Poof, there goes the cap space.

The flip side is that if they eat all of the cap space, well that means they have all lived up to their potentials and deserve the raise.
I'll take that.

I'd be shocked if any of those players next deals are in the 8 million range (cept for Coots). With Ghost existing and preventing Provorov from being on PP1, that will keep Provy's point totals lower than they should be and that'll save us some money when the time comes to use it as leverage.

If Ghost didn't exist, Provy would be a 55pt+ dman ATM and we'd be looking down the barrel of an 8 x 8 million contract. I expect Provorov's next contract to be in the neighborhood of Seth Jones'.

 

[deadhead]

Provorov still wouldn't be on PP1, he just doesn't have the instincts to be a PP QB.

Where he could score a lot is as a shooter on the PP, he's learning to attack the net 5x5 and I think that can carry over to the PP, he really is dangerous in that area between the face off circles, he's stronger than he looks and has a nice shot and a good feel for creating separation.

I think Provorov may end up a 20 goal scorer on a regular basis, but he should be paired with Ghost b/c he needs a playmaker on offense, on defense he provides the "muscle" that Ghost lacks.

 

[The Burdened]

Provorov still wouldn't be on PP1, he just doesn't have the instincts to be a PP QB.

Nah he'd 100% be on PP1, he just obv wouldn't do the job as well as Ghost does.
Provy on PP1 is an easy 15 point to his totals just thru attrition. Him not being on PP1 is going to end up saving us a couple million

 

[wankstifier]

I guess you guys didn't see enough hapless flailing at the line on keep in attempts to reach the conclusion that Provorov isn't a fit on PP1.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I guess you guys didn't see enough hapless flailing at the line on keep in attempts to reach the conclusion that Provorov isn't a fit on PP1.

right...I forgot that if a player struggles at something a few games, you should just give up trying it

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I think Provorov may end up a 20 goal scorer on a regular basis.

20 on a regular basis?! Defensemen with 1 or more 18+ Goal seasons in the last 3 years:

Burns (29, 27), OEL (21), Giordano (21), Weber (20), Byfuglien (19)

The only one of those that did it with less than 7 PP Goals was Byfuglien. Weber needed 14(!!) and OEL needed 12.

 

[wankstifier]

right...I forgot that if a player struggles at something a few games, you should just give up trying it

You want Provorov on PP1? That'd break the Giroux-Gostisbehere link

 

[Deadpool8812]

You want Provorov on PP1? That'd break the Giroux-Gostisbehere link

Never said I wanted to break that link. I just bet that if Provorov had some more time, he'd be fine on PP1

 

[Tripod]

That is insane is it not ???

It's the Ryan Johansen deal...but yup...8 million for 60ish point guys. I prefer that our guys can touch the 80+ once in awhile!

If there is a market where Mason has value and isn't a cap dump, why isn't Winnipeg trading with them instead of giving away Armia? I guess Montreal could be taking back another bad contract in exchange for Mason that fits a need?

Jets wanted to remove all the cap hit, and Armia was the cost. Not to mention, Armia was a RFA so maybe he was asking for more than the Jets wanted to give.

Montreal can retain half, then trade Mason for a pick like a 4th-5th.

It's why having a deep prospect pool is an asset. You can "buy" your way out of mistakes. Armia is a good bottom 6 player, but the Jets have lots of guys that can step in to replace him from their deep pool.

 

[wankstifier]

Never said I wanted to break that link. I just bet that if Provorov had some more time, he'd be fine on PP1

Isn't it annoying when someone puts words in your mouth?

Again, there's no point in fitting Provorov on PP1 when the Flyers have more capable players there or waiting to be there.

 

[The Burdened]

I never wrote that it would be a great idea to put Provorov on PP1 on a permanent basis.

All I suggested is that Provorov would be on PP1 and would have 15 more points added to his total just thru attrition by being the defacto PPQB IF Ghost didn't exist. Is that an unreasonable suggestion?

Him not being on PP1 is going to cost him a Norris down the line, but it'll also save us a bunch of money because that will be something that should be used against him come contract time.

 

[Prongo]

If onlys and justs
We’re candy and nuts
Then Everyday would be erntedankfest

 

[Domino666]

Any word on when JT’s diva ass is making a decision?

 

[The Burdened]

Mason already bought out
Tough last 12-months for him

 

[Tripod]

Mason on buyout waivers. Same with Tyler Ennis.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

Lmao remember when Mason refused to be a split starter

 

[Tripod]

Mason already bought out
Tough last 12-months for him

Tough as far as concussions go...had 2 of them.

But he just made 4.1 million for playing 13 games AND now gets 1.367 million the next 2 years in a buyout.

Not so bad.....6.7 million for 13 games.

Watch a team like Chicago pick him up and he have a good year.

 

[BernieParent]

Whens the CBA run out? LA certainly appears to be banking on some major contract roll backs

Jeff Carter would be a great trade acquisition, obviously in the absence of an overpayment. I wonder if Alex Martinez could be available on the cheap. Two-way RD (though shoots left) $4 million for 3 years.

Hagg + assets for the Flyers West?

 

[GKJ]

Tough as far as concussions go...had 2 of them.

But he just made 4.1 million for playing 13 games AND now gets 1.367 million the next 2 years in a buyout.

Not so bad.....6.7 million for 13 games.

Watch a team like Chicago pick him up and he have a good year.

i have no idea where he could end up. if anderson is traded in could see him in ottawa. calgary had issues at backup goalie, too.

 

[wankstifier]

Lmao remember when Mason refused to be a split starter

Why shit on the guy? He was good for 3+/4 seasons with the Flyers

 

[kudymen]

Yep I am glad I got to see a lot of games where he did well for us, dont really feel a need to "lol at" his buyout etc.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Couture is signing a $64M/eight year deal ($8M AAV/caphit) tomorrow. He’ll be 30 when this contract kicks in.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

Why **** on the guy? He was good for 3+/4 seasons with the Flyers

I’m not, didn’t mean for it to come off that way I had just woken up. It was bizarre he said that only to sign with a team he’d be a backup for, I truly like the guy

 

[Hiesenberg]

Couture is signing a $64M/eight year deal ($8M AAV/caphit) tomorrow. He’ll be 30 when this contract kicks in.

If they land Tavares, they will have to lead the league in the most 7+MM dollar contracts, right?

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Couture is signing a $64M/eight year deal ($8M AAV/caphit) tomorrow. He’ll be 30 when this contract kicks in.

That seems to have bad idea written all over it