Minnesota Wild General Discussion IX

[57special]

Guerin basically said nothing. " Two goalies at the NHL level" means nothing .

 

[2Pair]

Guerin basically said nothing. " Two goalies at the NHL level" means nothing .

Reading between the lines, what Guerin actually said is that he knows Dubnyk and Stalock are terrible. That's a good sign. He also knows that he can't rush a young goalie into the NHL just because his current goalies are terrible.

 

[DonatoisDaddy]

I have a gut feeling that we are gonna be a mid lottery pick and end up with that Russian goalie.... but I'm an idiot so.

 

[AKL]

I have a gut feeling that we are gonna be a mid lottery pick and end up with that Russian goalie.... but I'm an idiot so.

Given the current organizational situation, I would be shocked if we drafted Askarov in the top 10.

 

[DonatoisDaddy]

Given the current organizational situation, I would be shocked if we drafted Askarov in the top 10.

Like I said I'm an idiot and it's just a gut feeling I have

 

[AJ Thelen]

As good as Askarov may become, using a top 10 pick on a goalie in next years draft, with our organizational needs and KK, Robson, and Jones coming up the pipe would not be ideal from my point of view.

 

[Bazeek]

Wouldn't hate it if we ended up with a second 1st.

 

[TaLoN]

I have a gut feeling that we are gonna be a mid lottery pick and end up with that Russian goalie.... but I'm an idiot so.

With KK and Robson doing well in Iowa, Jones doing well in Juniors, I'd be surprised if we spend any draft resources on a goalie in the first 4 rounds. 5-7 though, you never know no matter your prospect depth situation.

 

[thestonedkoala]

With KK and Robson doing well in Iowa, Jones doing well in Juniors, I'd be surprised if we spend any draft resources on a goalie in the first 4 rounds. 5-7 though, you never know no matter your prospect depth situation.

Also Lindberg is doing pretty good.

 

[fentonsbrainchild]

Wouldn't hate it if we ended up with a second 1st.

No one would hate that. It’s just most people on here seem attached to anyone that has trade value.

 

[TaLoN]

No one would hate that. It’s just most people on here seem attached to anyone that has trade value.

The problem is, the ones with the most trade value should be part of the team's solution. Trading them away just for late 1st round picks isn't going to move the needle anytime soon (if ever).

 

[Bazeek]

No one would hate that. It’s just most people on here seem attached to anyone that has trade value.

Ha, sorry, I meant I wouldn't hate taking Askarov if we ended up with a second 1st. That's definitely not what my post actually said, though

 

[TaLoN]

Ha, sorry, I meant I wouldn't hate taking Askarov if we ended up with a second 1st. That's definitely not what my post actually said, though

Even if we had a second 1st wouldn't be a fan of using it on a goalie. Goalie is the LAST position we need at this point in the prospect pool.

The NHL goalie situation is terrible, true, but we should have long term answers for that in the system already.

 

[Wild11MN]

It's just a weird in-between situation right now with goalies. The NHL goalies suck, the AHL goalies need more time, and the team isn't good enough to give up a decent asset for one. Just ride it out the rest of the year imo.

 

[Bazeek]

Even if we had a second 1st wouldn't be a fan of using it on a goalie. Goalie is the LAST position we need at this point in the prospect pool.

The NHL goalie situation is terrible, true, but we should have long term answers for that in the system already.

On the one hand, yes, taking goalies in the first is kind of a taboo and rightfully so.

On the other, Askarov's performance against older competition is enough to at least have me curious. If the hype around him ends up being justified he'd be a phenomenal addition for a team that should have a strong blueline for years... but it's a big if.

 

[TaLoN]

On the one hand, yes, taking goalies in the first is kind of a taboo and rightfully so.

On the other, Askarov's performance against older competition is enough to at least have me curious. If the hype around him ends up being justified he'd be a phenomenal addition for a team that should have a strong blueline for years... but it's a big if.

Or, we already have said player in 3 quality prospects, and instead use the late 1st on another forward with skill... something we severely lack and need as many looks as possible to solve.

 

[AKL]

On the one hand, yes, taking goalies in the first is kind of a taboo and rightfully so.

On the other, Askarov's performance against older competition is enough to at least have me curious. If the hype around him ends up being justified he'd be a phenomenal addition for a team that should have a strong blueline for years... but it's a big if.

We don’t need an elite level goaltender though. And if it comes to it, and we’re talking about trading guys like Jones, Robson and Kahkonen in the future if Askarov becomes that, we’re already not going to get good value because goalies don’t get good value.

When all we need is an average starter level goalie, and we have three or four guys who are all doing very well at various levels of development, I hesitate to tie up more value in goalies when we also desperately need offense.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Even if we had a second 1st wouldn't be a fan of using it on a goalie. Goalie is the LAST position we need at this point in the prospect pool.

The NHL goalie situation is terrible, true, but we should have long term answers for that in the system already.

Goalies are such a shitshoot than I would t be surprised if none of our 3 goalie prospects turned into starters. If Askarov is sitting there at 24 (he’s not) you take him. We see again and again that shitty teams with good goaltending are atleast in the mix for the playoffs. See Anaheim. We see again and again the good teams with shit goaltending are lottery bound, see buffalo, st.louis, maybe even us.

 

[Bazeek]

We don’t need an elite level goaltender though. And if it comes to it, and we’re talking about trading guys like Jones, Robson and Kahkonen in the future if Askarov becomes that, we’re already not going to get good value because goalies don’t get good value.

When all we need is an average starter level goalie, and we have three or four guys who are all doing very well at various levels of development, I hesitate to tie up more value in goalies when we also desperately need offense.

An average starter-level goalie gets the team to the playoffs. I'm unconvinced that an average starter-level goalie gets us much further than that.

I'm not really pitching the idea of using a 1st on Askarov, either. "Would not hate" is somewhere in the vicinity of "meh."

 

[TaLoN]

Goalies are such a ****shoot than I would t be surprised if none of our 3 goalie prospects turned into starters. If Askarov is sitting there at 24 (he’s not) you take him. We see again and again that ****ty teams with good goaltending are atleast in the mix for the playoffs. See Anaheim. We see again and again the good teams with **** goaltending are lottery bound, see buffalo, st.louis, maybe even us.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

I will NEVER be in favor of a 1st round pick being a goaltender.

The implementation of the salary cap only solidified my stance on that.

The worst thing that can happen to a franchise is to end up with an elite goaltender getting elite goaltender salary. You have no room for the skaters in front.

Give me an avg to slightly above avg goaltender with reasonable salary every time. The cap savings vs performance gap between them is greatly in the team's favor!

 

[AKL]

An average starter-level goalie gets the team to the playoffs. I'm unconvinced that an average starter-level goalie gets us much further than that.

I'm not really pitching the idea of using a 1st on Askarov, either. "Would not hate" is somewhere in the vicinity of "meh."

You look at the list of goaltenders that have won the cup and it’s filled with average starter level guys who got hot at the right time.

And for the most part those teams are built around high end offense.

Defense doesn’t win championships anymore.

 

[2Pair]

It's just a weird in-between situation right now with goalies. The NHL goalies suck, the AHL goalies need more time, and the team isn't good enough to give up a decent asset for one. Just ride it out the rest of the year imo.

I agree that there's no reason to try and force a deal to save the season, but if there's a guy that you like that is available now, you should make that trade.

 

[Bazeek]

You look at the list of goaltenders that have won the cup and it’s filled with average starter level guys who got hot at the right time.

And for the most part those teams are built around high end offense.

Defense doesn’t win championships anymore.

If we're talking about a second 1st, presumably lower than #15, we're probably not looking at guys that are the difference between a cup and no cup anyway. All I'm saying is that I don't consider taking a possible high-end goalie over a possible middle-6 forward indefensible.

 

[TaLoN]

If we're talking about a second 1st, presumably lower than #15, we're probably not looking at guys that are the difference between a cup and no cup anyway. All I'm saying is that I don't consider taking a possible high-end goalie over a possible middle-6 forward indefensible.

I'll still take the middle six forward over a first round goaltender every time.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Top 5 pick + Askarov in the 20's I could stomach, and I'm normally goalie-in-the-first-round-averse.

If we're picking in the 7-12 range, I think I'd rather take another shot at a skater.