Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Wild and Dumba settle (5 years, $6M AAV)

[Mr Positive]

6M for a D that's 24 and scored 50 pts (19th for d) and was 7th in even strength points for Defenseman. He suffers the occasional brain fart that d of his ilk are prone too (ie Myers and gardiner). Minnesota wasn't a good Corsi team. It was articulated that they're stats suggested that they'd rather give up high low quality shots and limit the high danger shots/exp goals so I don't expect dumba to be a great Corsi player...7.5% of the cap for a D of his skillset and age is fair. If he had consistent strong defensive play with the same scoring he'd be on the brink of elite d status.

the trick though, is that probably a lot of that offense comes as a result of his bad defensive plays. I'm not saying he's overall a bad defensive player, just that a lot of his offense probably comes from gambling more than a better two-way player would.

Then again, he's only 23. That is crazy young for a D. He could get a lot better, and maybe ease up on the gambles, ending up with similar point totals but also above average D if he commits to it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

the trick though, is that probably a lot of that offense comes as a result of his bad defensive plays. I'm not saying he's overall a bad defensive player, just that a lot of his offense probably comes from gambling more than a better two-way player would.

Then again, he's only 23. That is crazy young for a D. He could get a lot better, and maybe ease up on the gambles, ending up with similar point totals but also above average D if he commits to it.

Not as much as you'd think.

 

[57special]

Dumba has also been shortchanged on PP TOI because Suter and Spurgeon get a lot of that time. That should change in the future.... The other two are good but Dumba is made for the PP.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Deal seems very fair for a guy improving every year.

This won't help Trouba with his ask

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

im surprised that this got done before trouba's # came out. good for both sides. hopefully minny overpaid at this $ but i doubt it.

 

[Flyerfan52]

Good deal for Minny.
Easy to tell Fenton learned from Poile.

 

[ThatGuy22]

im surprised that this got done before trouba's # came out. good for both sides. hopefully minny overpaid at this $ but i doubt it.

I'm not. Fenton wanted it done before Trouba's arb award, as it would be a comp and give Dumba leverage. Id suspect hes the one that blinked.

 

[zar]

Given what Rielly and Lindholm went for this is a horrific contract. Doesn’t help Jets with Trouba either.

Those contracts were signed 2 years ago and at that point Reilly's most productive season was 36 points and Lindholm's was 34 points (still is). Dumba just put up a 34 point season, followed up with a 50 point season. Is he as strong defensively as the other 2, no... but at the time of the contract signings he has shown he is superior offensively. Dumba was average defensively and, as a young dman, is moving in the right direction in that regard.

If i'I paying a D $6m I'd want them to be strong defensively or a top-10 offensive D. Neither of which describes Dumba.

Yeah, good luck with that... that is a very laughable post. You realize that 2 years ago the Flames signed Giordano to a $6.75 AAV and since then he ranks 29th with his offensive numbers without missing a game (40th if you average it out.
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I think this deal is fair for a 5 YEAR deal. This is not a steal by any means... let's not pretend this is a 7-8 year deal. An 8 year deal would have probably cost the Wild another $25-$28m... $30m+$28m = $58m/8 = $7.25m AAV.

I like the signing though... I think Dumba has the potential to maintain the offense and improve the defensive side of his game.

 

[robertocarlos]

This means Troubas contract is gonna be ugly...

Trouba thinks he's better than Dumba, maybe he is, and so now Trouba has a case for $7 million a year and Chevy can't or won't pay it.

 

[Josh Hockey]

Dumba is rep’d by Craig Oster. The $6M Cap Hit has him in 2nd in Total Cap Hit on the Agent Leaderboard. Dumba’s Cap Hit is tied with Eberle for 3rd most of Oster’s clients, behind Lundqvist & E. Karlsson.

NHL Agents | Puckpedia

 

[heretik27]

Dumba looked extremely dangerous in the Jets series, at least for the first period or two of every game. He seemed to lose his man a bit in the 3rd period the more he was used. Not sure if a healthy Suter reduces Dumba's minutes by much, but he might have been playing more than he could handle. If he could play like he did in the first period or two against the Jets all the time he'd definitely be a major steal at this contract price.

Definitely think he's a bit underrated.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Pretty decent deal for a guy who has developed well and will likely continue to. If he can work on his defensive game and be a little less of a liability back there this is going to have great value in a couple years. Dumba is a phenomenal athlete, I think there's a good chance he could be top pairing material at some point in his career.

 

[BagHead]

This contract comes in at almost the exact terms I was guessing, so I'm not surprised, and I don't think it's an overpay or an underpay. I believe it's exactly what Dumba is worth at this moment. That people expect a top pairing defender to cost $6million per year is laughable. That's #3 defenseman money these days, and Dumba is a #3. He plays #3 minutes, while being outstanding offensively and average defensively.

This is/will be a good contract for what Dumba brings. Man the 2012 draft was insane for D. No franchise level defenseman, but a ton of top 4 talent

I don't think that "franchise defenseman" ship has sailed yet. There are a few guys in that draft that I think are still improving and may make it there. Of course, that also depends on your definition of the term. Mine may be different than yours.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think this is a dumb contract and major overpayment.

This is going to make Trouba upset...

 

[AKL]

I think this is a dumb contract and major overpayment.

This is going to make Trouba upset...

It's good to admit when you don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.

 

[bukwas]

I would say that is a reasonable deal. No nmc/ntc attached can make life easier if they shift direction down the road as well.

 

[AKL]

I would say that is a reasonable deal. No nmc/ntc attached can make life easier if they shift direction down the road as well.

Modified NTC the last two years from what I've heard.

 

[Bizz]

Good deal....

for the rest of the NHL.

bad contracts for bad players like this kill any team's chances of winning.

 

[bukwas]

Modified NTC the last two years from what I've heard.

Oh, okay ty.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

Good deal....

for the rest of the NHL.

bad contracts for bad players like this kill any team's chances of winning.

Think you’re in the wrong thread.

 

[Bazeek]

Good deal....

for the rest of the NHL.

bad contracts for bad players like this kill any team's chances of winning.

You could power a city block in Sweden for a year with the heat from this take.

 

[AKL]

Good deal....

for the rest of the NHL.

bad contracts for bad players like this kill any team's chances of winning.

It's good to admit when you don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.

 

[Howie Hodge]

All signed for his trade to Toronto for Hyman now..........


sarcasm mode off......

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think this is a dumb contract and major overpayment.

This is going to make Trouba upset...

Who cares how Trouba feels?

 

[hector morrison]

Trouba thinks he's better than Dumba, maybe he is, and so now Trouba has a case for $7 million a year and Chevy can't or won't pay it.

Trouba would be wrong! I think this helps Chevy.