Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Wild and Dumba settle (5 years, $6M AAV)

[hector morrison]

All signed for his trade to Toronto for Hyman now..........


sarcasm mode off......

Make it so!

 

[ijuka]

A player who has actually gotten better every season he has been in the league.

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If this progression continues, and I'm sure it will, this deal is a steal for Fenton.

Hm, here I was thinking that his last season is likely due for regression.

For some reason, I don't think it's very sustainable to expect significant progress every single year.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Trouba would be wrong! I think this helps Chevy.

As do I.

 

[DRW204]

Good deal....

for the rest of the NHL.

bad contracts for bad players like this kill any team's chances of winning.

This is new and exciting

 

[hector morrison]

As do I.

The price for competent Dmen is obviously rising, Trouba at 6 is a good deal ,I think! Allows him to be traded if he wants out and shouldn't be insulted by the money.He must be aware that stating you want out hurts your value and your reputation.

 

[robertocarlos]

I like Dumba. He has all the tools to be a top 2D. He was a bit over-whelmed at times against the Jets but you should have seen Trouba against LVGK.

 

[robertocarlos]

Sorry to fill your Dumba thread, (that's the joke), with Trouba talk but we in Winnipeg are in a bit of a pickle.

 

[robertocarlos]

Hm, here I was thinking that his last season is likely due for regression.

For some reason, I don't think it's very sustainable to expect significant progress every single year.

When Dumba gets to 123 points he will level off for a few years and then decline rapidly.

 

[Avelanche]

thought this was crazy but had no idea he put up 50 points last year. he really flew under the radar

 

[byrath]

How is WAR determined? Could this be an artifact of players under 25 generally being part of the supporting cast on good teams, whereas by the time they're in their late 20's they're the main guys playing against matchups? Or does WAR take into account the quality of opponents, offensive/defensive zone starts, etc.?

NHL d-men under 23 or 24 are usually the top-pairing talents ... the bottom pairing guys plug away in the AHL til 25-26, finally make the NHL and bring down the stats for that age. My best guess anyway. WAR could just be garbage too. Either way, a chart saying that d-men peak (not just offensively but all around) at 22 is misleading at best.

 

[AKL]

NHL d-men under 23 or 24 are usually the top-pairing talents ... the bottom pairing guys plug away in the AHL til 25-26, finally make the NHL and bring down the stats for that age. My best guess anyway. WAR could just be garbage too. Either way, a chart saying that d-men peak (not just offensively but all around) at 22 is misleading at best.

I would think WAR and GAR are higher for great defensemen on shallow/bad teams (defenses) and the elite defensemen of the league. Situations where one guy really can be head and shoulders bove his replacement. So I think it's a cool stat to look at, but probably doesn't tell much in the grand scheme of things.

 

[DoobieDubas]

I like this signing/term for the Wild.


-A leafs fan.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

He’s a really good offensive #3D. Can play on the top pairing with a super star or can anchor a second pairing with a solid #4-5 type.

No fan is upset when their team can lock up a good young top 3 defenseman. Good on the Wild.

 

[Menzinger]

A fair deal, maybe about 250k too high but big picture that’s nothing.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Why would you chose to show CF% to pretend like that shows a player getting worse when actual relevant stats show they are clearly getting better. Goals and to a much lesser extent assists are actually real stats that matter. If a player each year is responsible for putting up more points then the previous year every year of his career thats actual improvement. That corsi and advanced stats garbage are not actual factors on a game.


Also Dumba>Rielly I dont know why people were saying you cant compare the 2 and they arent in the same league but speaking about the one that is clearly worse as the better one? I honestly dont want to look up the stats but im sure they follow then eye test. Id consider both more offensive D then shut down guys. Who averages more goals a season? I dont care about points or assists because anyone can get an assist. Im sure people could find a stat that shows zone start + TOI ÷ skate size × the circumference of a moose that would be better for Rielly then Dumba but Ill take the flying elephant in Minni on my D on this deal any day.

I’m not sure I agree with you on the dumba>Rielly thing. They’re similar offensively stat wise. Rielly is the better overall defensmen however. I think dumba’s offensive ceiling might be higher, but only time will tell. In terms of value Dumba probably has a bit more to a team due to being a RHD, but Reilly is the better defensmen RN IMO.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

This is/will be a good contract for what Dumba brings. Man the 2012 draft was insane for D. No franchise level defenseman, but a ton of top 4 talent

Was just 6 years ago, who knows if there are any frinchise level defensmen. And I guess that kinda varies by definition. For me a frinchise defensmen is someone who is constantly talked about for the Norris.

 

[rynryn]

I am positive Dumba's offensive ceiling and current acumen is higher than Reilly. FFS Half of Reilly's points came off PP time. What were his zone starts like? I honestly don't know but this isn't a knock on Reilly--he's supposed to be a more well rounded D and he is. Dumba was always a project guy that would be valuable only if he figured out how to play average D. we went through this arguing him vs Trouba too. I think Dumba had something like 46% Offensive zone starts and still ended up scoring most of his points 5v5

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Who cares how Trouba feels?

It's the fact he'll say 'Dumba got this, I should get that.' Because Trouba is much better than Dumba and as a Jets fan I care.

 

[2Pair]

It's the fact he'll say 'Dumba got this, I should get that.' Because Trouba is much better than Dumba and as a Jets fan I care.

Trouba is not as good as Dumba

 

[Digitalbooya]

It's the fact he'll say 'Dumba got this, I should get that.' Because Trouba is much better than Dumba and as a Jets fan I care.

Thanks for the laugh, carry on.

 

[NYRKING30]

Good term and good value on this deal.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Was just 6 years ago, who knows if there are any frinchise level defensmen. And I guess that kinda varies by definition. For me a frinchise defensmen is someone who is constantly talked about for the Norris.

We have similar definitions. There are for sure number 1 Defenseman from this draft, just don't think any of them will attain that "franchise" status imo.

Hope I'm wrong though since I do have a horse in the race

 

[MardyBum]

Trouba is not as good as Dumba

Yeah, he is.

 

[MattMartin]

great deal

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It's the fact he'll say 'Dumba got this, I should get that.' Because Trouba is much better than Dumba and as a Jets fan I care.

Much better at what? Because it isn’t offense and it isn’t playing full seasons.