Speculation: Mikko Rantanen Mega Thread

[BB88]

its the problem with having rfas that didnt suck during their elcs they are going to get paid more


thing is basically any long term deal ends up being a steal so the aves should just give him whatever gets him signed for 8 years . deal with mac and their d prospects when they actually break out

and dmen are basically always paid less than forwards so

Jeff Skinner already got 9M, in 4-5 years the money is going to be a lot crazier.

They'll be smiling at that poing while having Rants locked up for years at 9.5-10million.

 

[Byzantium]

You can, and still should pay your Franchise guys fairly.

4 years is a million years away in hockey.

Who's saying you shoudn't pay your franchise guys fairly? Take one good look at Toronto and see why it's a bad idea to overpay your players.

Also it's 2 years for Makar and Landeskog, 3 for Byram and 4 for Mackinnon. And Kadri aswell somewhere in between if he's in the future plans.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Who's saying you shoudn't pay your franchise guys fairly? Take one good look at Toronto and see why it's a bad idea to overpay your players.

Also it's 2 years for Makar and Landeskog, 3 for Byram and 4 for Mackinnon. And Kadri aswell somewhere in between if he's in the future plans.

Because... GM Joe Sakic has won something doing it the opposite way?

 

[Byzantium]

Because... GM Joe Sakic has won something doing it the opposite way?

So because Sakic hasn't won a cup as a GM he should start overpaying players?

 

[Dr Quincy]

So because Sakic hasn't won a cup as a GM he should start overpaying players?

No........

because Sakic's way of not paying market value hasn't resulted in anything... then the opposite way isn't automatically bad. You saying "look at TOR" and I see a team that is pretty equal to your own team, so the problem you speak of isn't really that much of a problem.

TOR has more scoring depth and better goaltending than COL. TOR's salary structure hurts big time on D for sure and that's where COL has it over them by far.

But saying that COL is going to be a better team than TOR this year is debatable. Especially if Sakic continues to want to only give crap offers to 1st line players.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Actually really good point. I was taking TOR's D absences into account and thinking of them with Holl and Ceci and not having Dermott and Muzzin....

but I'd forgotten that COL is without some competent D to start the year....

So now that you mention it- D looks pretty similar to me, with TOR having better F depth and more proven goaltending. So whatever Dubas' negotiating tactics are, he has a pretty competitive team.

Even healthy, Colorado has to hope Makar hits the ground running in year 1 to even be close to Toronto's group. Rielly, Muzzin, and Barrie are the 3 best D on either team until we see what Makar can do.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

My earlier instructions were not optional. GET BACK ON TOPIC.

Those of you who have been flagrantly violating this will be infracted and thread banned.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Has Sakic signed his 1st line scoring winger yet?

If not, what is a fair offer?

 

[AvsGuy]

9.5 million a year is a fair offer

Rantanen needs to budge from his comparative expectations, and Sakic needs to budge from his 8.4-8.7 offer

 

[PromisedLand]

when is rantanen signing? avs are my team in the west i need ranta to sign ASAP

 

[BB88]

Who's saying you shoudn't pay your franchise guys fairly? Take one good look at Toronto and see why it's a bad idea to overpay your players.

Also it's 2 years for Makar and Landeskog, 3 for Byram and 4 for Mackinnon. And Kadri aswell somewhere in between if he's in the future plans.

I was just going by your post, all the rumours suggest Sakic is trying to get Rants on an absolute steal contract, offering him Aho type money at max term.
Aho at 5 year term at that money can be looked as steal.

All the good work Sakic has done is useless unless he gets Rants to sign. He's messinging up with his franchise player and team success.
Not a great recipe.

Byram and Makar have combined played few NHL games, here you have a proven franchise guy waiting for his contract.
Mackinnon contract is years away. You don't worry today that you need to pay him in 4 years or you don't deserve success.

So no you shouldn't overpay everyone but you should damm pay everyone and not mess with this caliber players.

 

[RandomAvsFan]

Back on topic: Has Sakic signed his 1st line scoring winger yet?

I thought it was pretty obvious that Rantanen has not signed..... Hence the thread?

I'd say 6X10 is pretty fair. Despite Dubas overpaying everyone lol

 

[Jeff Whelbourn]

9.5 million a year is a fair offer

Rantanen needs to budge from his comparative expectations, and Sakic needs to budge from his 8.4-8.7 offer

Soo I read the same thing, this is all coming from lebrun, both rantanens side and sakics side have both stated this isnt true. That may have been the starting number for Joe in the summer

 

[Menzinger]

If Colorado doesn't wanna pay him 9M long term they don't deserve him.

Co.tinuing a difficult negation of a player who could be one of the main organizational pillars for the next decade over a few hundred thousand doesnt seem like the wisest strategy. Even if the team "wins"seems naive to pretend the relationship between player and team will stay the same.

Same things applies equally to Point and Laine negotiations.

 

[Byzantium]

I was just going by your post, all the rumours suggest Sakic is trying to get Rants on an absolute steal contract, offering him Aho type money at max term.
Aho at 5 year term at that money can be looked as steal.

All the good work Sakic has done is useless unless he gets Rants to sign. He's messinging up with his franchise player and team success.
Not a great recipe.

Byram and Makar have combined played few NHL games, here you have a proven franchise guy waiting for his contract.
Mackinnon contract is years away. You don't worry today that you need to pay him in 4 years or you don't deserve success.

So no you shouldn't overpay everyone but you should damm pay everyone and not mess with this caliber players.

Isn't it equally ridiculous for Rantanen to ask for Marner money as Sakic offering Aho money? It's called negotiation. They will meet somewhere in between and Sakic shouldn't cave to Rantanens demands just because he's a 1st line player.

 

[Ishad]

Has Sakic signed his 1st line scoring winger yet?

If not, what is a fair offer?

9.5 per rfa year, 12 per ufa year. Apply math.

 

[BB88]

Isn't it equally ridiculous for Rantanen to ask for Marner money as Sakic offering Aho money? It's called negotiation. They will meet somewhere in between and Sakic shouldn't cave to Rantanens demands just because he's a 1st line player.

I don't know if you know this but pre season is going on.

Rants isn't just a 1st line player, he's franchise level winger for you guys, one of the best in the game and without him your playoff chances see a huge huge drop.

 

[Foxtail]

Even healthy, Colorado has to hope Makar hits the ground running in year 1 to even be close to Toronto's group. Rielly, Muzzin, and Barrie are the 3 best D on either team until we see what Makar can do.

Yeah Barrie wass being pushed to a bottom pairing role and Muzzin lol . Foolish comment the Avs d is easily better

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah Barrie wass being pushed to a bottom pairing role and Muzzin lol . Foolish comment the Avs d is easily better

Nah lol

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah Barrie wass being pushed to a bottom pairing role and Muzzin lol . Foolish comment the Avs d is easily better

This is incorrect. Barrie was not being pushed to a bottom-pairing role. Barrie was 2 seconds behind the team lead in TOI/GP in the regular season and was 5 minutes ahead of any Colorado D in the playoffs. Muzzin has always been a quality defensemen capable of effectively handling tough usage.

There is potential, but the Avalanche D is filled with a ton of question marks, at least in the roles they are expected to play.

 

[42]

No........

because Sakic's way of not paying market value hasn't resulted in anything... then the opposite way isn't automatically bad. You saying "look at TOR" and I see a team that is pretty equal to your own team, so the problem you speak of isn't really that much of a problem.

TOR has more scoring depth and better goaltending than COL. TOR's salary structure hurts big time on D for sure and that's where COL has it over them by far.

But saying that COL is going to be a better team than TOR this year is debatable. Especially if Sakic continues to want to only give crap offers to 1st line players.

Except it isn't market value. One GM gives two bad contracts to RFAs. Why is this the market value? UFA contracts are not comparable.

 

[The Merchant]

when is rantanen signing? avs are my team in the west i need ranta to sign ASAP

On Tuesday.

 

[Mighty Makar]

On Tuesday.

Of Nov or Dec?

 

[Brewsky]

Missing pre-season, missing camp, have to wonder if this will impact Ranta when he comes back.

Just sign $9.6M/year for 6 years. Matches the jersey number and all that.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

No........

because Sakic's way of not paying market value hasn't resulted in anything... then the opposite way isn't automatically bad. You saying "look at TOR" and I see a team that is pretty equal to your own team, so the problem you speak of isn't really that much of a problem.

TOR has more scoring depth and better goaltending than COL. TOR's salary structure hurts big time on D for sure and that's where COL has it over them by far.

But saying that COL is going to be a better team than TOR this year is debatable. Especially if Sakic continues to want to only give crap offers to 1st line players.

Toronto has a better offence defense and goalie than Colorado this year. Colorado is loaded with potential but to say toronto is a great example of why to not "overpay your star players " is pretty funny because I think our team is pretty good.