Player Discussion Mike Hoffman - (The $5.2 Million Dollar Man)

[Sens]

nice to see the Brassard savings pay for Hoffmans raise in UFA years

 

[Larionov]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space? But yes, please tell me again how our owner is cheap and won't spend in order to win. <Insert eye roll here>

I have plenty of criticisms of Eugene, mostly around the way he bungee jumps in and out of hockey operations and pops off to the media at inopportune times with badly mixed messaging. I'll say this, though - every time he has needed to step up to sign a core player to an extension or bring in an expensive contract via trade, he has approved it. Some here have tried to portray him as the Cleveland Indians owner in "Major League" but that narrative is both lazy and inaccurate. He clearly wants to win, regardless of whether you think he is going about it the right way or not...

 

[Hutz]

I am so freaking happy right now....after Ceci, can we get Dorion signed long term??

Guy is outstanding.

I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far, but we haven't even played a game with him as GM. Let's not Colin Greening him just yet.

 

[StoicSensFan]

For the optimists of this board: Remember when Hoffman was on track to have a 50 goal season playing with a healthy Turris? By the way, Turris was projecting to have a 30-40 goal season with 70+ points before the dreaded gumby incident.

For the pessimists of this board: I'm looking forward to hating this contract next Spring.

 

[HAL KITZMILLER]

sign and trade?

 

[MarkStone]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space? But yes, please tell me again how our owner is cheap and won't spend in order to win. <Insert eye roll here>

I have plenty of criticisms of Eugene, mostly around the way he bungee jumps in and out of hockey operations and pops off to the media at inopportune times with badly mixed messaging. I'll say this, though - every time he has needed to step up to sign a core player to an extension or bring in an expensive contract via trade, he has approved it. Some here have tried to portray him as the Cleveland Indians owner in "Major League" but that narrative is both lazy and inaccurate. He clearly wants to win, regardless of whether you think he is going about it the right way or not...

So what you're saying is....we're trading for Willie Mays Hayes at the trade deadline? His speed could definitely complement Stone well.

 

[Proust*]

Cannot believe this guy is gonna get 5 mill. Now he needs to shut up, put up 50 goals, and earn this deal.

 

[sensR4real]

Cannot believe this guy is gonna get 5 mill. Now he needs to shut up, put up 50 goals, and earn this deal.

Not sure what you mean. I'm not sure Hoff is the vocal kinda guy, he pretty much keeps his mouth shut all season. Also, Not sure you need to get on him for his production, he has been seriously underpaid for 2 seasons now. It's a real good number. I am hoping your post reeks of sarcasm...

 

[Jerrico]

Cannot believe this guy is gonna get 5 mill. Now he needs to shut up, put up 50 goals, and earn this deal.

In today's NHL, a 50 goal scorer is worth 10 million a year. Not really sure what you're talking about. As long as Hoffman puts up 25 + goals, he will be earning his 5 million.

 

[Hutz]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space? But yes, please tell me again how our owner is cheap and won't spend in order to win. <Insert eye roll here>

I have plenty of criticisms of Eugene, mostly around the way he bungee jumps in and out of hockey operations and pops off to the media at inopportune times with badly mixed messaging. I'll say this, though - every time he has needed to step up to sign a core player to an extension or bring in an expensive contract via trade, he has approved it. Some here have tried to portray him as the Cleveland Indians owner in "Major League" but that narrative is both lazy and inaccurate. He clearly wants to win, regardless of whether you think he is going about it the right way or not...

Should have about $5 mil left in cap space. Will need all of that to sign Pageau, Dzingel, and Puempel next year (after D & P both have breakout 20 goal rookie seasons, of course).

Would be great, though, if we can use some of that 5 million to sign a vet depth D-man to a 1 or 2 year contract, but perhaps that's where the budget factors in.

 

[Hutz]

Cannot believe this guy is gonna get 5 mill. Now he needs to shut up, put up 50 goals, and earn this deal.

You know, I thought that too initially, but after some rumination, I decided that I'd be satisfied with 40 goals and a Selke.

 

[Super Cake]

Yes!!!!!!!!!

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

So what you're saying is....we're trading for Willie Mays Hayes at the trade deadline? His speed could definitely complement Stone well.

I don't think the Sens players will respond well to being motivated by taking off a piece of a clothing off a cardboard cutout of Eugene with every win...

Maybe make it for every loss.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space? But yes, please tell me again how our owner is cheap and won't spend in order to win. <Insert eye roll here>

I have plenty of criticisms of Eugene, mostly around the way he bungee jumps in and out of hockey operations and pops off to the media at inopportune times with badly mixed messaging. I'll say this, though - every time he has needed to step up to sign a core player to an extension or bring in an expensive contract via trade, he has approved it. Some here have tried to portray him as the Cleveland Indians owner in "Major League" but that narrative is both lazy and inaccurate. He clearly wants to win, regardless of whether you think he is going about it the right way or not...

Yeah, my issue with Melnyk is the way he interacts with media not how he's cutting checks. We're a small market team and it's fair to expect us to not spend like the Rangers or Leafs. Such is life for any team in a similar position. It'd be nice to spend to the cap but I'm more than happy to be able to spend as a middle of the pack budget team. Leicester City and Kansas City won big titles in the last year and weren't big spenders. It can be done.

 

[Baby Ryan]

Jerrico and sensR4real got taken to the cleaners by Proust.

 

[Indrew]

Great term, great salary structure and great cap hit. Well done everyone involved.

 

[sensR4real]

Jerrico and sensR4real got taken to the cleaners by Proust.

I figured it was probably sarcasm as per the comment at the end of my post. But you just never know on here..hehehe

One of these would have helped

 

[God Says No]

Love the deal. Fair for both sides. Now Ceci, and the off-season is done for Dorion.

 

[Jorec]

I don't think the Sens players will respond well to being motivated by taking off a piece of a clothing off a cardboard cutout of Eugene with every win...

Maybe make it for every loss.

"Anderson, get out of the way of that puck, we only have his cod piece left"

 

[JessicaN]

I'm not sure how I feel about hoffman. Sometimes he looks fantastic and sometimes he looks utterly defeated/frustrated.

guess that's why he makes 5M and not 7...

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space? But yes, please tell me again how our owner is cheap and won't spend in order to win. <Insert eye roll here>

I have plenty of criticisms of Eugene, mostly around the way he bungee jumps in and out of hockey operations and pops off to the media at inopportune times with badly mixed messaging. I'll say this, though - every time he has needed to step up to sign a core player to an extension or bring in an expensive contract via trade, he has approved it. Some here have tried to portray him as the Cleveland Indians owner in "Major League" but that narrative is both lazy and inaccurate. He clearly wants to win, regardless of whether you think he is going about it the right way or not...

Yeah I am not sure what we are projecting to sign Ceci at but it looks like we now have 8.8 mill of cap space left roughly with him left to go. The salary looks even to the cap space as well.

 

[BonkTastic]

So after we sign Ceci we will have what, a whopping $4 million or so in cap space?

Depends on what Ceci is asking for, I guess. We currently have $8.9mil in cap space, not counting Ceci, but:

a) that $8.9mil of open space is also counting 14 forwards, so after we send 1 or 2 down to the AHL, we'll have more cap room,
b) that $8.9mil of open cap space also currently counts Michael Kostka, and I doubt we're carrying him at the NHL level this year, so we'll have another $800k in cap space open once we send him down.

Once Nick Paul (who I assume will play in the AHL this year because he's waiver-proof) and Kostka head to Bingo, we'll have about $10.3-10.5mil in open cap space, even with a 13th forward on the roster.

$10.5mil - Ceci = probably still $6.5mil-7mil or so in cap space we're not using.



Not trying to push the budget thing here, just saw the "$4mil" figure being thrown out and wanted to present a clearer, more accurate reflection of the numbers.

 

[SlyDawg]

Good on Hoffer: Gets one year at a lower rate but 3 years at a pretty decent rate during his UFA. It's a cap friendly contract, too, which allows us to work Ceci and as well as have some money left for later on.

I really don't hate the term or the amount on this. It's a friendly contract for sure. I was always thinking 5x5 for him and this is close enough.

Kudos to Dorion on this one; did a good one. We may regret it if he has a down year during those four years but hey, maybe if he does it in our first year, we don't protect him and he goes off to Vegas? >.> (I'm not expecting a down year, just making a joke.)

 

[Hutz]

Yeah I am not sure what we are projecting to sign Ceci at but it looks like we now have 8.8 mill of cap space left roughly with him left to go. The salary looks even to the cap space as well.

Just my 2 cents, but I expect him to come in between 3 and 4, so I'm expecting about 5 million in space.

 

[BonkTastic]

So what you're saying is....we're trading for Willie Mays Hayes at the trade deadline?

He's had good coaching too. Kid had to do pushups every time he hit the ball in the air. You have to love someone who buys into the system like that.