McDavid Injury Thread

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

How does this usually play out for the Oilers? McDavid not fully healed in three months time and undergoes surgery in September?

 

[McJadeddog]

3 months recovery time.

But I thought all of us that were saying that second opinions make it sounds worse were being over-dramatic? Turns out we were 100% correct.

 

[McJadeddog]

How does this usually play out for the Oilers? McDavid not fully healed in three months time and undergoes surgery in September?

That is the concern obviously. The fact that they had to go to 2 or 3 different specialists to determine if surgery was needed or not means that it was a "close call", and his injury was right on the cusp of needing surgery. It could very well be that he doesn't respond well to treatment, and surgery is needed after a couple months of monitoring. Or it could just heal perfectly fine by August, and he scores 120 points next year. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Fat Balloon]

He won't be playing with that brace. If you're going to injure any of the 4 major knee ligaments as an athlete the PCL is the one you want to injure. Given that it's only a grade 2 sprain and not a grade 3 is very good news.

Ive read several articles that refer to athletes wearing a brace on an ongoing basis after a PCL tear as the risk of future injury is higher.

Here's an article about PCL tears in NFL athletes
Meet the PCL, The Lesser-Known Knee Ligament That's Keeping NFL Players on the Sidelines
From the article

• Once the return to play, athletes wear a carbon fiber knee brace with straps that prevent the tibia from falling backward.

 

[McJadeddog]

Ive read several articles that refer to athletes wearing a brace on an ongoing basis after a PCL tear as the risk of future injury is higher.

Here's an article about PCL tears in NFL athletes
Meet the PCL, The Lesser-Known Knee Ligament That's Keeping NFL Players on the Sidelines
From the article

• Once the return to play, athletes wear a carbon fiber knee brace with straps that prevent the tibia from falling backward.

Yeah, you gotta figure that McDavid will likely skate with a brace from now on. There is no doubt that this will affect his skating at least somewhat, and potentially quite a bit for a bit until he gets used to it and his leg heals 100%. The speed we've seen from him might never fully come back though, that is a reality that we might need to get used to. But honestly, even at 90%, he is still pretty much the fastest guy in the league, and has all his other tools as well (hockey IQ, hands, shot, passing, etc). He will be fine and very likely score 100+ points again next season.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yeah, you gotta figure that McDavid will likely skate with a brace from now on. There is no doubt that this will affect his skating at least somewhat, and potentially quite a bit for a bit until he gets used to it and his leg heals 100%. The speed we've seen from him might never fully come back though, that is a reality that we might need to get used to. But honestly, even at 90%, he is still pretty much the fastest guy in the league, and has all his other tools as well (hockey IQ, hands, shot, passing, etc). He will be fine and very likely score 100+ points again next season.

Or you know, we could wait and see what he looks like when he returns.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It sounds like we dodged a bullet here even though he definitely didn't come out of this unscathed. If our management had any balls they would send a tape into the NHL showing all of the liberties that get taken with McDavid and then ask those stupid ****ers if they want to see the best player on the planet have a Bobby Orr like career or if they want to see him be among the greatest the game has ever seen.

I also cannot believe that Kassian went full chicken**** and didn't start feeding Gio or running at Gaudreau. Remember in game 1 when Lucic first got here? Engelland threw a hit at McDavid and Lucic sent a message. Now we are right back to the bus stop days. Nurse is getting too valuable to have him fight unless necessary (that would've been a good game to send a message to Gio), Kassian thinks that he's a ****ing star after scoring a few goals, Lucic is a guy that few players in the league are willing to go with (in that case he shouldn't be giving anyone an option, it's go time). This team needs to play for each other and get their ****ing balls back.

 

[McFlyingV]

Ive read several articles that refer to athletes wearing a brace on an ongoing basis after a PCL tear as the risk of future injury is higher.

Here's an article about PCL tears in NFL athletes
Meet the PCL, The Lesser-Known Knee Ligament That's Keeping NFL Players on the Sidelines
From the article

• Once the return to play, athletes wear a carbon fiber knee brace with straps that prevent the tibia from falling backward.

It's possible he might wear one in the early stages returning, but I have a hard time seeing him wearing it full-time once he's healed given that it wasn't a major tear. Regardless, I'd much rather he injure his PCL than his ACL or MCL.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yeah, you gotta figure that McDavid will likely skate with a brace from now on. There is no doubt that this will affect his skating at least somewhat, and potentially quite a bit for a bit until he gets used to it and his leg heals 100%. The speed we've seen from him might never fully come back though, that is a reality that we might need to get used to. But honestly, even at 90%, he is still pretty much the fastest guy in the league, and has all his other tools as well (hockey IQ, hands, shot, passing, etc). He will be fine and very likely score 100+ points again next season.

I sincerely doubt his skating will look any different coming back from this. If it was an ACL or MCL tear I might be a little more worried.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It's possible he might wear one in the early stages returning, but I have a hard time seeing him wearing it full-time once he's healed given that it wasn't a major tear. Regardless, I'd much rather he injure his PCL than his ACL or MCL.

Seeing as you actually sound like you know what you're talking about I feel better about his injury. That said this needs to be a wake-up call to management. Had this been in the early-mid part of the season we'd be dead last in the league. We need to build a strong enough team to withstand an injury to Connor or Leon and still fight for the playoffs.

 

[Del Preston]

It would be nice if a certain poster stopped trying to diagnose injuries.

Or you know, we could wait and see what he looks like when he returns.

No. That would make too much sense.

 

[McFlyingV]

Seeing as you actually sound like you know what you're talking about I feel better about his injury. That said this needs to be a wake-up call to management. Had this been in the early-mid part of the season we'd be dead last in the league. We need to build a strong enough team to withstand an injury to Connor or Leon and still fight for the playoffs.

I'll just say that I'm in a rehab medical field without going into much detail. This was probably best case scenario as an outcome for McDavid given that some type of injury was all but inevitable. The types of injuries where you see guys performance significantly drop are when you have full reconstruction surgeries or 'unhappy triad' injuries to the knee involving multiple ligaments and meniscus damage. I would be extremely nervous if that were the case, but it looks like we dodged a major bullet here.

The reason McDavid likely thought his leg was broken is because he likely felt a bit of a pop or separation of the knee and a lot of pain. When you completely tear a ligament you tend to feel immediate pain that normally goes away quite quickly because all nerve supply to the ligament is gone. With a partial tear the nerve supply is still intact so that pain doesn't go away right away.

I agree though, this team relies way too heavily on their big horses and the fact that they have to play them so many minutes every night definitely increases their risk of injury. They really need to get their shit together and get them a real supporting cast. I personally think they have some of that coming from within the system, but this offseason they need to add 2 or 3 good support players to the roster while the prospects develop.

 

[Senor Catface]

It would be nice if a certain poster stopped trying to diagnose injuries.


No. That would make too much sense.

Yeah, no kidding. Gets sadder every time.

 

[soothsayer]

What's the survival rate of minor PCL tears though? Didn't see it mentioned by the Oilers.

 

[McFlyingV]

What's the survival rate of minor PCL tears though? Didn't see it mentioned by the Oilers.

About a 97% chance of sepsis and organ failure.

 

[780il]

They keep them where management keeps their brains.

Up their ass?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Up their ass?

Naturally.

 

[oobga]

Now I'm really glad that they got him to try to walk off the ice and down the hall, and then again in the back. Probably made the tear close up a bit so it's smaller now.

 

[McJadeddog]

Edit: removed a snarky post, cause it's not really worth arguing with strangers on the internet.

 

[TheRebuild]

Yeah, you gotta figure that McDavid will likely skate with a brace from now on. There is no doubt that this will affect his skating at least somewhat, and potentially quite a bit for a bit until he gets used to it and his leg heals 100%.

Man, what is with you? Are you suffering from major depression or something? Do you need someone to talk to? Seriously

 

[McJadeddog]

Man, what is with you? Are you suffering from major depression or something? Do you need someone to talk to? Seriously

No, I'm good outside of hockey, lol. Just years of being an Oilers fan and expecting the absolute worst when it comes to this franchise, and any potential outcome involving the Oilers.

 

[North]

But I thought all of us that were saying that second opinions make it sounds worse were being over-dramatic? Turns out we were 100% correct.

But you didn’t know that. All we were saying was wait until we hear something. So not sure why you’re celebrating.

 

[TheRebuild]

No, I'm good outside of hockey, lol. Just years of being an Oilers fan and expecting the absolute worst when it comes to this franchise, and any potential outcome involving the Oilers.

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That’s good. Just a bit worried about you

 

[space321]

I'll just say that I'm in a rehab medical field without going into much detail. This was probably best case scenario as an outcome for McDavid given that some type of injury was all but inevitable. The types of injuries where you see guys performance significantly drop are when you have full reconstruction surgeries or 'unhappy triad' injuries to the knee involving multiple ligaments and meniscus damage. I would be extremely nervous if that were the case, but it looks like we dodged a major bullet here.

The reason McDavid likely thought his leg was broken is because he likely felt a bit of a pop or separation of the knee and a lot of pain. When you completely tear a ligament you tend to feel immediate pain that normally goes away quite quickly because all nerve supply to the ligament is gone. With a partial tear the nerve supply is still intact so that pain doesn't go away right away.

I agree though, this team relies way too heavily on their big horses and the fact that they have to play them so many minutes every night definitely increases their risk of injury. They really need to get their **** together and get them a real supporting cast. I personally think they have some of that coming from within the system, but this offseason they need to add 2 or 3 good support players to the roster while the prospects develop.

This injury wasn't a result of playing too much though. giordano is just a miserable dirty prick that gets excused because he happens to be good at hockey. It's not the first time he's seriously injured another player by playing suck a reckless style with no respect for his opponents. Many times McDavid has blown by other defensemen and none of those guys (except Manning) felt the need to interfere with him and trip him up.

 

[McFlyingV]

This injury wasn't a result of playing too much though. giordano is just a miserable dirty prick that gets excused because he happens to be good at hockey. It's not the first time he's seriously injured another player by playing suck a reckless style with no respect for his opponents. Many times McDavid has blown by other defensemen and none of those guys (except Manning) felt the need to interfere with him and trip him up.

Oh for sure, I definitely wasn't saying that. Overworking guys and just more playing time are correlated to higher incident of injury in sport though. He needs some help on the roster.

I also agree I did not like the play from Gio one bit. I hate when Dmen take guys legs out when they're beat and driving to the net. It's always a dangerous play.