Injury Report: May 2021: Giroux (broken foot), Hayes (core-muscle surgery), Braun (foot) + Foerster (collarbone)

[Starat327]

I don't pay depth forwards $8.25M.

Flyers aren't going anywhere unless players like Frost, Allison, Farabee emerge.
In two years, Voracek and JVR will be 33, they're not leading this team anywhere.

A top line player isn't a depth player. Despite your insistence on belting out these lies that he and G are "middle 6" forwards, they are in fact still top line players. Votacek may not be as good as he was, but thats more a testament to what he was before as opposed to what he is now.

 

[Rebels57]

A top line player isn't a depth player. Despite your insistence on belting out these lies that he and G are "middle 6" forwards, they are in fact still top line players. Votacek may not be as good as he was, but thats more a testament to what he was before as opposed to what he is now.

If Voracek's defensive play is going to continue to be a detriment like it was this season, he'll need to score more than 60-65 points/82 to be a net positive for this team. Especially at over $8 million.

If he's still a Flyer next season, I hope that his defensive play was more of a symptom of this disastrous season we had as a whole and he bounces back to being passable in that regard.

 

[Starat327]

If Voracek's defensive play is going to continue to be a detriment like it was this season, he'll need to score more than 60 points/82 to be a net positive for this team. Especially at over $8 million.

Bad things happen when you ask a player who thrives on possession to start his shift off by giving up possession of the puck.

 

[Rebels57]

Bad things happen when you ask a player who thrives on possession to start his shift off by giving up possession of the puck.

That's fair and I can buy that is part of the issue for sure.

 

[Starat327]

That's fair and I can buy that is part of the issue for sure.

I dont think its the only issue, but i also dont think its a coincidence that he and the rest of the team have all looked collectively terrible this season. Jake was never a defensive stalwart, so the bar should be relatively low. He is geting older, and he likely is slowing down, so thats probably playing a part as well.

 

[Striiker]

A top line player isn't a depth player. Despite your insistence on belting out these lies that he and G are "middle 6" forwards, they are in fact still top line players. Votacek may not be as good as he was, but thats more a testament to what he was before as opposed to what he is now.

Just for reference, let's compare Voracek to past-Voracek.

​	Points per 60​	Rank among his 13 seasons​
ES​	2.79​	1st​
PP​	3.46​	10th​
All Strengths​	2.89​	4th​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So he's actually having one of the most productive years of his career. Certainly scoring like a top line player.

19th in the league in ES points/60. Slightly elevated shooting % at ES, but his ES assist rate is still the highest of his career and it's balanced out by an unsustainably low shooting % on the PP.

 

[Starat327]

Just for reference, let's compare Voracek to past-Voracek.

Points per 60​	Rank among his 13 seasons​
ES​	2.79​	1st​
PP​	3.46​	10th​
All Strengths​	2.89​	4th​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So he's actually having one of the most productive years of his career. Certainly scoring like a top line player.

19th in the league in ES points/60. Slightly elevated shooting % at ES, but his ES assist rate is still the highest of his career and it's balanced out by an unsustainably low shooting % on the PP.

Yeah, thats cool and all, but ive moved on to measuring playming forwards by the number of shots they block, so Jake actually sucks. Thanks though.

 

[Larry44]

Lazcynski also missed camp due to offseason core muscle surgery.

Looks like he missed 6 of the 20 games the Phantoms played before he was called up.

Isn't hip labrum repair the same thing G and Ghost had that took them more than a whole year to recover from?

If so, does this mean Laczynski might be back by camp, but won't be at full speed until the year after?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Dang.

So on-brand. Maybe this really is still the organization we loathe love and cherish.

 

[TheKingPin]

Isn't hip labrum repair the same thing G and Ghost had that took them more than a whole year to recover from?

If so, does this mean Laczynski might be back by camp, but won't be at full speed until the year after?

I don’t think so. But I forget what they had exactly. Core I think which is generic but not labrum.

 

[Larry44]

I don’t think so. But I forget what they had exactly. Core I think which is generic but not labrum.

Here's some detail, G's was a labrum tear, per second link:

Giroux and Gostisbehere both underwent right hip and bilateral lower abdominal procedures. The hip surgeries were performed Dr. Eric Kropf and the abdominal surgeries by Dr. William Meyers.

Hextall last Saturday said both injuries are common. "This is a typical hockey hip, whatever you want to call it, and it leads to the abdominal area, so they're connected," Hextall said. "One leads to the other. Like I said, this is a typical hip surgery that a lot of hockey players are getting.

Claude Giroux, Shayne Gostisbehere undergo successful surgeries

Giroux said recovery from May 17 surgery to repair a torn labrum in his right hip, as well as bilateral abdominal tears, was more difficult than any previous injury he's dealt with....

Claude Giroux of Flyers getting comfortable with hip

Given G and Ghost both came back from their surgeries, but had subpar years, then used the surgery as a reason, we should not expect much from Laczynski, who had abdominal surgery last off season.

Why can't we have nice things?

 

[TheKingPin]

Here's some detail, G's was a torn labrum tear, per second link:

Giroux and Gostisbehere both underwent right hip and bilateral lower abdominal procedures. The hip surgeries were performed Dr. Eric Kropf and the abdominal surgeries by Dr. William Meyers.

Hextall last Saturday said both injuries are common. "This is a typical hockey hip, whatever you want to call it, and it leads to the abdominal area, so they're connected," Hextall said. "One leads to the other. Like I said, this is a typical hip surgery that a lot of hockey players are getting.

Claude Giroux, Shayne Gostisbehere undergo successful surgeries

Giroux said recovery from May 17 surgery to repair a torn labrum in his right hip, as well as bilateral abdominal tears, was more difficult than any previous injury he's dealt with....

Claude Giroux of Flyers getting comfortable with hip

Given G and Ghost both came back from their surgeries, but had subpar years, then used the surgery as a reason, we should not expect much from Laczynski, who had abdominal surgery last off season.

Why can't we have nice things?

I stand corrected. I would think their surgeries will be different than Laczynski as no one has said he needed core surgeries.

 

[Larry44]

I stand corrected. I would think their surgeries will be different than Laczynski as no one has said he needed core surgeries.

I'm worried because Tanner missed the short training camp and part of AHL season still recovering from core surgery.

 

[Jettany]

Here's some detail, G's was a torn labrum tear, per second link:

Giroux and Gostisbehere both underwent right hip and bilateral lower abdominal procedures. The hip surgeries were performed Dr. Eric Kropf and the abdominal surgeries by Dr. William Meyers.

Hextall last Saturday said both injuries are common. "This is a typical hockey hip, whatever you want to call it, and it leads to the abdominal area, so they're connected," Hextall said. "One leads to the other. Like I said, this is a typical hip surgery that a lot of hockey players are getting.

Claude Giroux, Shayne Gostisbehere undergo successful surgeries

Giroux said recovery from May 17 surgery to repair a torn labrum in his right hip, as well as bilateral abdominal tears, was more difficult than any previous injury he's dealt with....

Claude Giroux of Flyers getting comfortable with hip

Given G and Ghost both came back from their surgeries, but had subpar years, then used the surgery as a reason, we should not expect much from Laczynski, who had abdominal surgery last off season.

Why can't we have nice things?

I totally forgot about ghost having the hip surgery. Coupled with 3-4 knee surgeries by 27 years old, that’s not good.

Actually, I think this injury isn’t mentioned much when ghosts’ injuries are discussed. Always the knees.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ustimenko had a similar surgery.

Flyers goalie prospect has hip surgery

 

[TheKingPin]

I'm worried because Tanner missed the short training camp and part of AHL season still recovering from core surgery.

Certainly feel for the guy. It really does feel like this team is cursed. I believe in the law of averages so hopefully we get some nice payback as a franchise. Look at Lindros, Primeau, Pronger, etc vs a guy like OV who is going to play forever.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Braydon Coburn and Randy Jones also had the same surgery. Ryan Getzlaf had it too and he had one of the worst seasons in his career after it. I think Antero Niitymaki also had it when he was here too.

 

[Jettany]

Braydon Coburn and Randy Jones also had the same surgery. Ryan Getzlaf had it too and he had one of the worst seasons in his career after it. I think Antero Niitymaki also had it when he was here too.

Both hips I believe.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I know hockey is very laborious on the hips but do the Flyers end up with more players and prospects getting this surgery then the average franchise? Its almost starting to feel like some issue with their training regime's make them more susspectible to these injuries.

 

[Striiker]

I know hockey is very laborious on the hips but do the Flyers end up with more players and prospects getting this surgery then the average franchise? Its almost starting to feel like some issue with their training regime's make them more susspectible to these injuries.

Maybe it has something to do with carrying deadweight teammates on their backs?

 

[renberg]

Maybe it has something to do with carrying deadweight teammates on their backs?

and a sad sack coaching staff

 

[Rebels57]

I know hockey is very laborious on the hips but do the Flyers end up with more players and prospects getting this surgery then the average franchise? Its almost starting to feel like some issue with their training regime's make them more susspectible to these injuries.

@Beef Invictus educate this man on the virtues of Jim McCrossin

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus educate this man on the virtues of Jim McCrossin

He's a death camp medic.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Oh I'm well versed with Jim McHacksaw. I'm thinking more the strength and condition side of things creating an imbalance making the players more susceptible to these injuries.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Hart is sidelined for the rest of the season.