GapToothedWonder
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More like exposed how god awful his playing style.
Injury Report: May 2021: Giroux (broken foot), Hayes (core-muscle surgery), Braun (foot) + Foerster (collarbone)
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More like exposed how god awful his playing style.
GapToothedWonder
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Also fire who ever is in charge of their weight lifting programs. They have to be creating some sort of imbalance or something to have so many players need core surgery is such a short amount of time.
FLYERSFAN18
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Hayes will likely be better next season if fully healthy but I highly doubt he is going to be a 2C on any cup winning team.
He needs cerebral cortex surgery. By which I mean he needs one transplanted into him.
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Yeah, but he'd be a mortal lock for the gold medal in the Shit Garbage Olympics.
deadhead
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247 forwards have payed 2000+ minutes the last three years.
Hayes is 99th with 2.04 pp/60.
That makes him a legitimate 2C.
FLYERSFAN18
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Going to be easy for teams to stop him in a 7 game series when they know he won’t pass to his teammates. They’ll just wait for him to lose the puck at the top of the circles leading to an odd man rush the other way. He isn’t they guy you want him to be
deadhead
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This is just mythology. Hayes isn't as good a playmaker as Voracek, but he's a good passer.
Think the bigger issue is simply putting together a line around him that fits his style, he looked good with Allison and Farabee, that give and go with Farabee might have been the prettiest goal of the season for the Flyers.
Just keep him far away from Voracek.
FLYERSFAN18
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Hayes has looked like he had good chemistry with his line for about a dozen games. The first few games post Covid last season when Laughton played better than he is and when he got to play with our best goal scorer and a kid who hadn’t been coached to be worse by AV yet. Hayes isn’t an amazing talent and he doesn’t really make the players around him better. He’s a 2C on a non cup contending playoff team but too expensive for 3C in most instances.
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deadhead
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What 2C is an amazing talent? Most 2Cs are solid centers who are nothing special, or they'd be 1Cs making $8-10M a year.
Hayes when healthy is a solid top 6 player, he scores at a top six rate, is average to above average defensively, contributes on both the PP and the PK.
He's not a cornerstone player, but a solid complementary player.
Expecting more from him is a fool's errand.
If someone like Frost steps up, or Patrick finds his mojo, Hayes will slide down to 3C or over to wing.
Hayes when healthy is a solid top 6 player, he scores at a top six rate, is average to above average defensively, contributes on both the PP and the PK.
He's not a cornerstone player, but a solid complementary player.
Expecting more from him is a fool's errand.
If someone like Frost steps up, or Patrick finds his mojo, Hayes will slide down to 3C or over to wing.
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Being a good passer without being a good playmaker is kind of pointless though, if I'm understanding this distinction correctly.
Patrick has shown some of the best raw passing ability on the team at times, but it's pretty pointless when he rarely uses it effectively.
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Our guys with core muscle surgery have taken more than a year to get back to being good. LTIR him for next season.
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Just confirmed, half of the Flyers broke their feet and the other half broke their cores. They should be ready to compete when the sub goes supernova.
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Couts is not a great playmaker, Giroux is, Couts complements Giroux b/c he goes to the net, has a good shot in traffic, and CYA on defense, allowing Giroux to be more aggressive on offense.
I think in two years, Farabee will be our best forward, once he adds another 10 lbs of muscle (because he likes the dirty areas but needs more strength to be effective there), has a high IQ (puck finds him) and a quick, accurate wrist shot and good ice vision. Put Farabee with Hayes and you just have to find a suitable RW, Allison, Foerster, even Wisdom.
If Frost lives up to his junior hype, he should be a great playmaking center. He's the kind of center you'd put JVR/dirty area RW or Lindblom/scoring RW. Ideal lines have someone who'll get the puck, someone who'll distribute the puck and someone who'll shoot the puck. Players who do all three at a high level are usually referred to as "all pro."
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You assume it's the coaches' decision, some guys just hate to stop playing hockey, even meaningless games are better than changing diapers.
GapToothedWonder
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Players not wearing the extra foot protection is also stupid
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Ideally the team is defending well enough to suppress shot attempts.
This is why I dont necessarily view a player having tons of blocks as being automatically good. I'd prefer to avoid damaging heroics as much as possible.
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Yet the Isles are among the league leaders every year under Trotz.
If you can't get the puck to the net because the other team is effective at blocking shots, it's hard to score.
And blocked shots often flip the ice.
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