Matthews vs. Eichel

[Holymakinaw]

This came up in my TSN twitter or instagram feed......can't remember.

Who will score more points this up-coming season? Matthews or Eichel?

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[rent free]

This came up in my TSN twitter or instagram feed......can't remember.

Who will score more points this up-coming season? Matthews or Eichel?

it was instagram

 

[LeafsNation75]

I'm going to go with Matthews.

Now before any Sabres fans mention this I know last season Eichel had more points, however the difference was 64 for Eichel compared to the 63 for Matthews. However Matthews had 5 more goals and played 5 less games than Eichel. Although maybe we should not count last season since both of them were injured and missed significant amount of games.

When both played a full season Matthews had 40 goals and 29 assists for 69 points in 82 games played, where as when Eichel was a rookie he had 24 goals and 32 assists for 56 points in 81 games played.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

It largely depends on how Babcock tries to split ice time between his top 3 Centers.

But given the fact Eichel has been due for his big breakout (after bad luck the past two seasons with significant injury) I’ll go with him. Shocking, but I think due to Skinner being In a contract year and the potential to have better linemates like Reinhart and skinner or sheary compared to girgensens Rodrigues and Pominville will help a great deal.

From all accounts and interviews he seems pumped up to make a dent in the league as he says he’s made none. Staying healthy is key here for both guys.

I think if both guys do stay healthy and play over 75 both are PPG.

I say it will go Eichel-87
Matthews 84.

Jack will get more opportunity, PP time and with the likes of risto-Reinhart already being good on the PP guys like Dahlin, mittlestadt and co. should open up more room for him.

That being said Matthews will score more goals and could very well outproduce Eich as the leafs offense should be extremely potent.

 

[Holymakinaw]

It largely depends on how Babcock tries to split ice time between his too 3 Centers.

But given the fact Eichel has been due for his big breakout (after bad luck the past two seasons with significant injury) I’ll go with him. Shocking, but I think due to Skinner being In a contract year and the potential to have better linemates like Reinhart and skinner or sheary compared to girgensens Rodrigues and Pominville will help a great deal.

From all accounts and interviews he seems pumped up to make a dent in the league as he says he’s made none. Staying healthy is key here for both guys.

I think if both guys do stay healthy and play over 75 both are PPG.

I say it will go Eichel-87
Matthews 84.

Jack will get more opportunity, PP time and with the likes of risto-Reinhart already being good on the PP guys like Dahlin, muttkestadt and co should open up more room for him.

That being said Matthews will score more goals and could very well outproduc Eich as the leafs offense could be extremely potent.

Good post.

 

[pcruz]

Babcock has stated that Matthews will be on the top PP unit.

Take a look at last year's power play time distribution on the Leafs:

JvR	81	11	9	20	184:55
Marner	82	8	19	27	179:59
Bozak	81	3	10	13	177:11
Gardiner	82	1	14	15	169:43
Kadri	80	12	7	19	167:06
Rielly	76	1	24	25	166:51
Nylander	82	5	7	12	165:26
Marleau	82	5	4	9	163:15
Matthews	62	5	8	13	133:04

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Tage2Tuch]

I'm going to go with Matthews.

Now before any Sabres fans mention this I know last season Eichel had more points, however the difference was 64 for Eichel compared to the 63 for Matthews. However Matthews had 5 more goals and played 5 less games than Eichel. Although maybe we should not count last season since both of them were injured and missed significant amount of games.

When both played a full season Matthews had 40 goals and 29 assists for 69 points in 82 games played, where as when Eichel was a rookie he had 24 goals and 32 assists for 56 points in 81 games played.

You say that first part like a sabres fan would hit quote and actually brag about having one more point in five more games. That wouldn’t happen because it wouldn’t be looking through proper context. You mention that Matthews had a better rookie season then Eichel, very true. However Despite Eichels team scoring over 70 less goals he has more points per game then Auston since the beginning of Matthews career. He gets more ice time but playing against the top defenders each night and still producing as a kid no less is impressive, especially since in that time the last two seasons he’s suffered significant injury. Point is, both guys have their bragging frights with Matthews ahead right now despite being in the same tier of player. Will be interesting none the less...

 

[pcruz]

You say that first part like a sabres fan would hit quite and brag about having one more point in five more games. That wouldn’t happen because it wouldn’t be looking through proper context. You mention that Matthews had a better rookie season then Eichel, very true. However Despite Eichels team scoring over 70 less goals he has more points per game then Auston since the beginning of Matthews career. He gets more ice time but playing against the top defenders each night and still producing as a kid no less is impressive, especially since in that time the last seasons he’s suffered serious injury.

Anyway both guys have pros and cons with situations on either team and both are in the same tier should be an interesting season.

If the Leafs had Eichel instead of Matthews I'd be just as ecstatic about our future as I am.
I do think one is very slightly better, but it's honestly 50.1/49.9.....the difference is minuscule.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

I think Matthews will put up more points while being better defensively. Hopefully both players break out, Eichel should have a great season with Skinner on his wing!

Babcock says Matthews is on another level this year, well see how that translates when it comes to points

Also, it looks like 34 will finally get some quality powerplay time

 

[BAM]

I think Marner and Eichel are closer than Eichel and Matthews tbh

Matthews

Marner/Eichel

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Despite what Toronto fans want to believe, I think they are dead even.

Very similar to Nylander-Ehlers.

I won't vote due because I am really split, but it definitely shouldn't be a blowout.

 

[Skolman]

I think Marner and Eichel are closer than Eichel and Matthews tbh

Matthews

Marner/Eichel

Not surprised.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Babcock has stated that Matthews will be on the top PP unit.

Take a look at last year's power play time distribution on the Leafs:

JvR	81	11	9	20	184:55
Marner	82	8	19	27	179:59
Bozak	81	3	10	13	177:11
Gardiner	82	1	14	15	169:43
Kadri	80	12	7	19	167:06
Rielly	76	1	24	25	166:51
Nylander	82	5	7	12	165:26
Marleau	82	5	4	9	163:15
Matthews	62	5	8	13	133:04

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The chart doesn't show a per game average so obviously matthews is going to look worse since he missed 20 games, on a per game average mattews would slot in just after bozak for 4th on the team which still isnt very good, but not as bad as your depicting it.

The biggest difference this year is playing on the first unit, which historically are much more successful then the 2nd unit even when factoring in ice time for both units.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Babcock has stated that Matthews will be on the top PP unit.

Take a look at last year's power play time distribution on the Leafs:

JvR	81	11	9	20	184:55
Marner	82	8	19	27	179:59
Bozak	81	3	10	13	177:11
Gardiner	82	1	14	15	169:43
Kadri	80	12	7	19	167:06
Rielly	76	1	24	25	166:51
Nylander	82	5	7	12	165:26
Marleau	82	5	4	9	163:15
Matthews	62	5	8	13	133:04

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Translation for the forwards (per game):

JVR 2:17
Marner 2:12
Bozak 2:11
Matthews 2:09
Kadri 2:05
Nylander 2:01
Marleau 1:59

 

[JT Kreider]

I have both on my fantasy team

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Auston Matthews

 

[LongWayDown37]

Novel poll...

 

[BAM]

Despite what Toronto fans want to believe, I think they are dead even.

Very similar to Nylander-Ehlers.

I won't vote due because I am really split, but it definitely shouldn't be a blowout.

Except Matthews has outscored him at every single level and so far in their NHL careers while get significantly less ice time

 

[GodEmperor]

Matthews, Eichel hasn't even hit ppg in 3 years despite being gifted plenty of ice time and PP ice time, inb4 "muh teammates," funny how playing with a glorified third/fourth liner in Hyman for Matthews entire career didn't stop him from scoring 40 in his first year and going PPG in his second year.

Eichel has not once demonstrated any superior ability and there is no reason to think he will start now, even watching the Buffalo game v Toronto was a great example of this, Matthews was carrying the pace far more than Eichel was. Eichel is simply not the superstar many thought he was going to be (at least not yet) and he's certainly not going to best Matthews this year.

 

[La Masse]

Probably Eichel. I think the Sabres first line will be tough to handle and Eichel should get a ton of PP minutes. Despite Babcock saying he’s going to load up the 1st PP unit, I can’t see him sticking to that for the whole season and Babs has a history of playing the first 3 lines pretty even

 

[Marner]

Not surprised.

I wouldn't be surprised if Marner outscores both of them.

 

[34]

#34

 

[Sweetpotato]

I like Eichels skating, I don't consider him better or worse just preference but it is and will be a lot closer either way than either fan base will admit for a while.

 

[Jyrki Lumme]

Matthews. He is the better 5v5 scorer and he will receive #1PP usage now on a stacked unit. Though I think Eichel's PP production will also improve over last season.

 

[Snippit]

Matthews, Eichel hasn't even hit ppg in 3 years despite being gifted plenty of ice time and PP ice time, inb4 "muh teammates," funny how playing with a glorified third/fourth liner in Hyman for Matthews entire career didn't stop him from scoring 40 in his first year and going PPG in his second year.

Eichel has not once demonstrated any superior ability and there is no reason to think he will start now, even watching the Buffalo game v Toronto was a great example of this, Matthews was carrying the pace far more than Eichel was. Eichel is simply not the superstar many thought he was going to be (at least not yet) and he's certainly not going to best Matthews this year.

Why use the pre-season game for reference when they've went head to head for the last 2 years? Eichel has done more than fine in producing against Matthews' line.

Plus he still put up 2 points in that pre-season match and created several other chances...so yeah.