Matthews vs. Barkov

[goblin3]

Not mad. But he hasn't hit a 100. He also hasn't won a selke. So to say first of many when he's accomplished neither is just funny. Matthews is a 60 goal guy. Hasn't done it, hasn't ever hit 50 but he's pacing for it. So I'll just call him a 60 goal guy from now on cause why not. So now that we agree facts don't matter in this discussion. Matthews is clearly better

You can just say you dont know what ~ means.

 

[Garthinater]

Not mad. But he hasn't hit a 100. He also hasn't won a selke. So to say first of many when he's accomplished neither is just funny. Matthews is a 60 goal guy. Hasn't done it, hasn't ever hit 50 but he's pacing for it. So I'll just call him a 60 goal guy from now on cause why not. So now that we agree facts don't matter in this discussion. Matthews is clearly better

The only way its clearly matthews is if you think facts don't matter.

When looking at facts its close and some prefer barkov.

Its not outlandish or that complicated tbh.

 

[HabsQC]

Matthews scores twice as much as Barkov and almost ties him in assists. This year he has 9 more points than Barkov despite missing a few games and 2 less on the PP.

Matthews shoots a lot more, hits more and blocks more shot.

I have no stat to evaluate hockey IQ and defensive play, but that would be the only 2 departments where I would give Barkov the edge and it's probably closer than most people think.

Ive said it earlier in the thread, but I take Matthews over Barkov in my team and in my fantasy .

 

[drktmplr12]

Matthews scores twice as much as Barkov and almost ties him in assists. This year he has 9 more points than Barkov despite missing a few games and 2 less on the PP.

Matthews shoots a lot more, hits more and blocks more shot.

I have no stat to evaluate hockey IQ and defensive play, but that would be the only 2 departments where I would give Barkov the edge and it's probably closer than most people think.

Ive said it earlier in the thread, but I take Matthews over Barkov in my team and in my fantasy .

you aren't even trying. barkov has played 37 games

 

[Contenderorpretender]

You can just say you dont know what ~ means.

Lol that would have been clever if you understood the word many. Is 76 points close to a hundred. He got 96 pts one time.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He definitely had periods of dominant two-way play since his 2nd season, but this year he has been on another level entirely. Truly the 2nd best player in the world without any debate, Barkov has a good case for 4th best forward this season.

Is there any statistical evidence to back this up? His "against" metrics aren't exactly showing this.

(At 5on5 among forwards with 400+ minutes played):
CA/60 - 48.69 (49th)
FA/60 - 37.07 (53rd)
SA/60 - 25.98 (36th)
GA/60 - 2.03 (66th)
xGA/60 - 1.97 (53rd)
SCA/60 - 22.01 (31st)
HDCA/60 - 8.63 (42nd)

He's been good, but has he been as good as you're suggesting? Maybe someone has RAPM charts or something to prove otherwise, but his against metrics don't scream "dominant defensively".

 

[authentic]

Is there any statistical evidence to back this up? His "against" metrics aren't exactly showing this.

(At 5on5 among forwards with 400+ minutes played):
CA/60 - 48.69 (49th)
FA/60 - 37.07 (53rd)
SA/60 - 25.98 (36th)
GA/60 - 2.03 (66th)
xGA/60 - 1.97 (53rd)
SCA/60 - 22.01 (31st)
HDCA/60 - 8.63 (42nd)

He's been good, but has he been as good as you're suggesting? Maybe someone has RAPM charts or something to prove otherwise, but his against metrics don't scream "dominant defensively".

I said two-way, as in offense and defense.

Keep in mind he also had that lingering wrist injury where he wasn't as engaged all over the ice.

Then there are these stats Best Advanced Stats Resources

Then his rank since 2017 is only behind McDavid. Wins Above Replacement — High Level Overview

Not saying those are without flaws but it's pretty clear he's the best ES player in the league this year anyway.

 

[HabsQC]

you aren't even trying. barkov has played 37 games

my bad

 

[Leafidelity]

This thread is peak HFboards

 

[ProjectPanthers]

 

[Atomos2]

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Lol this is a weak argument.

In the month of April, Matthews has 8 goals in 7 games. Barkov has 5 goals in 8. Not to mention Matthews incredible gpg during the entire season. Trying to find an inbetween segment where Barkov's gpg is slightly higher than Matthews during a season where Matthews has 32 goals in 40 games is certainly something lol.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

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Yeah, Michael Bunting is going to put up 55 goals next season.

 

[Zybalto]

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Goals per game career in nhl history for centers:

1. Mario: .754
2. Wayne: .601
3. Auston: .590
4. Phil: .559
5. Marcel: .542

 

[Bedards Dad]

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Impressive that Barkov was able to score more than an injured Matthews. Next can you do the while year and then maybe their careers.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Yeah, Michael Bunting is going to put up 55 goals next season.

Regardless, but he’s not in the poll unfortunately.

I still like Barkov on any team, but if you need a deadly scorer.. eh, Matthew’s had one year without Marner, right? Idk, I just wish we could adjust for their extra soul-bond stats. Matthews is making me reconsider, how about that?

 

[Zybalto]

Regardless, but he’s not in the poll unfortunately.

I still like Barkov on any team, but if you need a deadly scorer.. eh, Matthew’s had one year without Marner, right? Idk, I just wish we could adjust for their extra soul-bond stats. Matthews is making me reconsider, how about that?

Matthews/Marner is a fairly new thing on a regular line. Babcock always resisted pairing them for some reason.

Since Matthews came into the league, he has around 1370 5v5 minutes with Marner and around 3500 minutes without him.

 

[Erikfromfin]

Impressive that Barkov was able to score more than an injured Matthews. Next can you do the while year and then maybe their careers.

Barkov was injured too missed 6 games but its only Leafs fans complaining

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Matthews/Marner is a fairly new thing on a regular line. Babcock always resisted pairing them for some reason.

Since Matthews came into the league, he has around 1370 5v5 minutes with Marner and around 3500 minutes without him.

Ya but that’s the part where I’d potentially consider him ahead.

 

[Bedards Dad]

Barkov was injured too missed 6 games but its only Leafs fans complaining

I'm not complaining, I'm stating the sample used is when Matthews had an injured wrist. Looking at a proper sample shows who is the vastly superior goal scorer.

 

[93gilmour93]

I like Barkov as a player and he gets underrated playing in Florida but no legit hockey person who works for any team would take Barkov over Matthews. Auston is the better player as good as Barkov is.......

 

[tuozzi]

This is really close as the poll results suggest. Anyone with definite ainec type arguments is out to lunch.

 

[authentic]

Lol this is a weak argument.

In the month of April, Matthews has 8 goals in 7 games. Barkov has 5 goals in 8. Not to mention Matthews incredible gpg during the entire season. Trying to find an inbetween segment where Barkov's gpg is slightly higher than Matthews during a season where Matthews has 32 goals in 40 games is certainly something lol.

Especially since that time frame lines up well with the wrist injury Matthews was playing through.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

This is really close as the poll results suggest. Anyone with definite ainec type arguments is out to lunch.

I'd say Matthews isn't better than Barkov same reason why Ovechkin isn't better than Crosby.

 

[olli]

I'd say Matthews isn't better than Barkov same reason why Ovechkin isn't better than Crosby.

Not a good comparison since ovi is a winger and the rest are all centres, and Barkov is the weak link among the 4 offensively if we are talking in Sid and ovis prime.

Would you take 55-60 goal Stamkos or Bergeron at his best? Cause if your answer is Stamkos you pick Matthews in this poll no doubt.

 

[authentic]

Not a good comparison since ovi is a winger and the rest are all centres, and Barkov is the weak link among the 4 offensively if we are talking in Sid and ovis prime.

Would you take 55-60 goal Stamkos or Bergeron at his best? Cause if your answer is Stamkos you pick Matthews in this poll no doubt.

Matthews is closer to Barkov defensively than he is to 60 goal Stamkos anyway.