Prospect Info: Matthew Beniers (Round 1, 2 overall)

[LMFAO]

Superstars in Arizona would be wasted. That is a small market that was another one of Bettman's mistakes.

Edmonton losing the Oilers would have been a huge black-eye for Bettman after Canada lost both Quebec and Winnipeg on his watch. (rumor was they might come to Seattle)

Edmonton is a major hockey market, despite the city being relatively small when compared to a city like Phoenix. (Glendale).

I am not saying the lottery is rigged regularly, or even ever, but for close to 20 years, the results were super predictable.

And why in the hell would you not televise the draw unless there is something they don't want people to see. It is great television. But like The Marquis said, that last (and only) televised draw was super suspect.

And I agree, they would never worry about Montreal needing to win the lottery, that is why I said it will likely be Chicago that wins the draw if it is truly rigged when the next superstar is available.

I read this while imagining you with an Aluminum hat.

 

[Irie]

Sure as hell better than relegation.

I don't know.... watching them win an AHL Championship may be sorta fun.

At least then they'd have a banner or two in the rafters

 

[Irie]

I read this while imagining you with an Aluminum hat.

Ha! I used to have one, but it no longer fits my fat head

The entire conversation about the rigged lottery has been going in here off and on since last spring. It is all tongue in cheek and in jest, and mostly just the Marquis and I commiserating over many of the lottery irregularities over the years), but if you post some reference to some of the suspect shenanigans over the years, people suddenly take one post as evidence you are a hard core conspiracy theorist.

We are actually working together to collect the data and expose Bettman's draft corruption! (See, that is also not true, just messing with other posters)

And don't get me started on the lost art of understanding sarcasm in here....

The post you quoted was just me having fun playing devils advocate to the general belief on these boards that the NHL hated the idea of McDavid going to edmonton.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

better odds will help to an certain extent but it still doesn't take account to how unpredictable the lottery is. Based on past history we should have dropped at least 1 spot last year. We didn't we moved up 1 spot. People whole think we should just lose and lose need to understand chances are unlikely we'll land 1OA. Doesn't mean we won't land it but its the attutide that loosing is acceptable. its not losing should never be acceptable behavior for fans.

Fans need to stop with the whole "tank" attitude. Its annoying and it annoys other fans.

Fire the coach, fire the GM, get rid of this guy get rid of that guy, screw the refs etc. All that on and on and on annoys people. i stopped paying attention to yesterdays game once the finger pointing at the refs happened again.

A few simple rules. 1) enjoy the game 2) do not ruin the enjoyment of the game for others. 3) if 1) isn't possible then turn it off and do something else instead of being up in arms over a call you don't agree with and have no control over and ruin the enjoyment of others.

I have learned over the years to follow these simple rules. I used to harp and swear at the refs and the team all the time while watching on tv. I don't do that anymore at least that vocally. I just turn it off and do something else.

1) Absolutely no one in here's talking about us winning the lottery because we finish really low.
People know that this season's completely lost and that free agency isn't the solution to everything as you can't spend your way out of the bottom of this league.

Because of that people want the highest pick guaranteed, meaning the lower you finish the higher you guaranteed to select during the entry draft.
So if we keep the current position we'd be guaranteed a top five pick in a draft that has at least five very good prospects.
Meaning we'd have a chance at one of those and actually a better position to select the player we want.

2) Fans are not players, who will and should give it their everything all the time.

Again, we know this season's lost and that the draft is a very important part of building this team.
We just saw Beniers debut and watched a guy looking more talented than anyone else we've got on this team.
So naturally we want more of that as this is the most realistic route to improve this team.

3) Overall I think you shouldn't take comments on here to seriously and rather just enjoy the game.

I'm pretty sure if there's a nice play or a kid like Beniers doing something fun people will acknowledge that and have something fun to say about it as well.

 

[The Marquis]

Ha! I used to have one, but it no longer fits my fat head

The entire conversation about the rigged lottery has been going in here off and on since last spring. It is all tongue in cheek and in jest, and mostly just the Marquis and I commiserating over many of the lottery irregularities over the years), but if you post some reference to some of the suspect shenanigans over the years, people suddenly take one post as evidence you are a hard core conspiracy theorist.

We are actually working together to collect the data and expose Bettman's draft corruption! (See, that is also not true, just messing with other posters)

And don't get me started on the lost art of understanding sarcasm in here....

The post you quoted was just me having fun playing devils advocate to the general belief on these boards that the NHL hated the idea of McDavid going to edmonton.

Ha! I used to have one, but it no longer fits my fat head

The entire conversation about the rigged lottery has been going in here off and on since last spring. It is all tongue in cheek and in jest, and mostly just the Marquis and I commiserating over many of the lottery irregularities over the years), but if you post some reference to some of the suspect shenanigans over the years, people suddenly take one post as evidence you are a hard core conspiracy theorist.

We are actually working together to collect the data and expose Bettman's draft corruption! (See, that is also not true, just messing with other posters)

And don't get me started on the lost art of understanding sarcasm in here....

The post you quoted was just me having fun playing devils advocate to the general belief on these boards that the NHL hated the idea of McDavid going to edmonton.

Exactly. It’s all just for fun. If the league did rig the lottery, they’re probably doing it for the good of the sport and it would eventually come around to whoever needed it most. I’m also a big pro wrestling and boxing fan and don’t need my sports to be legit to enjoy them.

 

[sigma six]

Guess it depends on what other teams you've been following, but it's difficult for me to have a casual attitude about lottery shenanigans because mine has never benefitted from them.

Try coming in dead last (for once) and getting stuck with JVR while a better team gets Pat Kane, a true franchise-changer.

Terrible luck, I guess.

 

[Sad People]

Yeah I dont know why leagues go with a lottery type system when to me its obvious that the team with the worst record or least amount of points should get the number 1 pick, I know its suppose to not make tanking a a thing with the lottery but you still have to hit on your picks

 

[Irie]

Yeah I dont know why leagues go with a lottery type system when to me its obvious that the team with the worst record or least amount of points should get the number 1 pick, I know its suppose to not make tanking a a thing with the lottery but you still have to hit on your picks

It was implemented to avoid the ridiculous behavior of a few teams doing everything they could to lose games, which was embarrassing for the league.

The NFL had a situation last year with Philadelphia, who sat starters, and then benched their QB because he was playing well. The results had major playoff implications for the rest of the league, which made it very relevant and much worse.

Not a good look.

I agree, it is not a great system, but having a lottery is not the worst scenario either. Only being able to drop two slots is much better than what they had recently.

 

[Gniwder]

Ha! I used to have one, but it no longer fits my fat head

FYI, the easiest way to make one is to cover a baseball hat with aluminum foil, that's what I did at work.

The whole story is that Dell made a bunch of computers with improperly grounded boards, and I blew a motherboard while sitting in a vehicle during a work trip. After the laptop was repaired, I bought foil and wrapped it around a binder to use as a grounding plate under the laptop and grounded it to the seat frame. I figured I bought foil with company money so I wrapped my hat as a joke, rode the rest of the trip with a tin foil hat.

Dell wound up recalling all of the computers including a thousand or so at my company alone. We had a bunch of people lose the graphics card, I was the only one to blow the motherboard, my first month at work lol.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Even if you don't get 1st overall you should be in position to get the 2nd best C, best winger or either of the top 2 defenders. The teams needs are top line C, top line wingers and top pair defenders. So you'll check off one of those boxes. Wright is the best player in this draft but not a tier above the rest like you find in some drafts, so isn't catastrophic if you drop to say 3rd overall.

 

[Irie]

Even if you don't get 1st overall you should be in position to get the 2nd best C, best winger or either of the top 2 defenders. The teams needs are top line C, top line wingers and top pair defenders. So you'll check off one of those boxes. Wright is the best player in this draft but not a tier above the rest like you find in some drafts, so isn't catastrophic if you drop to say 3rd overall.

Agreed, and I have a feeling that there is a good chance Wright doesn't even end up being the best player taken in the top 5 when all is said and done.

I think what most are worried about is overtaking Jersey, Philly or Chicago and possibly finishing 5th and then dropping to 7th in the lottery. While that would not be the end of the world, it would be disappointing considering the season we've all endured.

The higher pick, while no guarantee to produce a better player, would at least give us the perception that maybe there was some upside to all the suffering this season.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Agreed, and I have a feeling that there is a good chance Wright doesn't even end up being the best player taken in the top 5 when all is said and done.

I think what most are worried about is overtaking Jersey, Philly or Chicago and possibly finishing 5th and then dropping to 7th in the lottery. While that would not be the end of the world, it would be disappointing considering the season we've all endured.

The higher pick, while no guarantee to produce a better player, would at least give us the perception that maybe there was some upside to all the suffering this season.

Right. I think it would be more of a disappointment than a worry to drop out of the top-4. I feel like Wright, Slaf and Cooley are the top-tier forwards and Nemec and Jiricek are the top-tier D-men. Though, who knows how our prospects are ranking them.

If we can get any of the 5 above prospects, it would feel like good compensation for having a shitty season like we have had.

 

[Irie]

Right. I think it would be more of a disappointment than a worry to drop out of the top-4. I feel like Wright, Slaf and Cooley are the top-tier forwards and Nemec and Jiricek are the top-tier D-men. Though, who knows how our prospects are ranking them.

If we can get any of the 5 above prospects, it would feel like good compensation for having a shitty season like we have had.

There is also the scenario where they end up with a top five pick, and then Francis and Botterill go completely off the board and grab someone like Nazar or Mateychuk.... and we will all be standing around in shocked silence for a couple of months...

Stranger things have happened

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

There is also the scenario where they end up with a top five pick, and then Francis and Botterill go completely off the board and grab someone like Nazar or Mateychuk.... and we will all be standing around in shocked silence for a couple of months...

Stranger things have happened

Oh absolutely. Who knows. A lot of time the way scouts rank prospects is very different than the fans. Or even some analysts.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I think it would make sense to discuss all of that draft position and what not stuff in our actual 2022 NHL Entry Draft thread.

This one's about Beniers and not about how to approach the Draft lottery, lottery odds and the league standings, IMO.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

 

[The Marquis]

Captain material

 

[RainyCityHockey]

 

[GrungeHockey]

I really like this. Speaks well for the team's future.

 

[The Marquis]

I'd like to point out that Beniers' first goal is like a mirror image of my first beer league goal... in fast forward.

 

[Silkytentacles]

Going to be special lovewhat we’re already seeing out of him this early in the nhl. Glad he started at center

 

[Sad People]

P/PG Beniers

 

[NiagaraKraken]

Makes me less worried about where the Kraken pick in the top 5 this season. Beniers has legit 1C potential.

 

[Sad People]

What are his FO numbers looking like in this small sample size?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

What are his FO numbers looking like in this small sample size?

nhl.com says 46.6%.