Matt Carle
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JedYzerman
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I think he'd waive to go anywhere if we told him he would just be riding the bench for the most part. Hockey players want to play above all other things. If the Yotes promised him 2nd pairing or something maybe he'd go. It would be great for us since we do not have any buyouts left.
Volodya Krutov
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Firstly Carle has a limited no-trade clause, meaning there are only a short list of teams where SFY can't send him to, otherwise it won't be up to Carle to decide whether he'll be traded or not.
Secondly, I'm not sure Carle would prefer a bigger role on another, weaker team but it's definitely a part of the equation. Carle is very likely to only play 3rd pairing minutes next season, maybe less depending on NN and SK's development. So, even if Nesterov doesn't pass him on the depth charts for some reason next season, Koekkoek will do it in 2 years from now.
In short, Carle has no long-term future in Tampa, he's gone within one calendar year, it's just a question of when.
Secondly, I'm not sure Carle would prefer a bigger role on another, weaker team but it's definitely a part of the equation. Carle is very likely to only play 3rd pairing minutes next season, maybe less depending on NN and SK's development. So, even if Nesterov doesn't pass him on the depth charts for some reason next season, Koekkoek will do it in 2 years from now.
In short, Carle has no long-term future in Tampa, he's gone within one calendar year, it's just a question of when.
Todd1a
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do you keep him one more year and hope for a bounce back season? then next summer you can deal him. if not then buy him out!
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
this contact was the worst contract yzerman ever signed! I knew paying matt carle 33 million for 6 years was going to come back and bite us. stevie needs to trade this guy or buy him out.
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
We needed Carle badly when he signed and he made our defense much better his first two years. Our defense was Hedman and garbage, we needed NHL quality players. We had nothing in the system so he knew it would be several years before he could draft and develop any defenders.
What happened was we got really good young forwards on cheap contracts who stepped up so we didn't need to dive into free agency up front. He spent more money on defense and was able to get better players for less.
Sky04
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I don't think so, he was in the most minimal role this year and still looked like garbage, he also didn't get PP time to inflate his stats like other years and that's not going to change next season.
I'd rather see him dealt asap so we don't risk that contract if no one takes him next year. No point wasting more ice time on Carle, I'd rather see developmental time for any of our young defenseman, if they don't look ready by playoffs, then pick up a depth defender at the deadline.
chasespace
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Keeping him another year allows Koekkoek to stay in Syracuse and forces Nesterov to beat him out rather then be given a spot. If he does rebound his value improves because of that as well as only having two years left.
I can also see us keeping him and trading him with retention next year. We'll know what Stamkos will have for a caphit and hopefully Kucherov too so we can retain and be ok. We could also buy him out after next year so we are on the hook for 4 years and not 6 if we did it now. It's unlikely because two years of the buyout will have high cap hits which will hurt.
DarrylshutzSydor
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chasespace
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Great article (and case for) on Matt Carle
http://www.rawcharge.com/2015/6/29/...robably-not-going-anywhere-so-get-used-to-him
http://www.rawcharge.com/2015/6/29/...robably-not-going-anywhere-so-get-used-to-him
Sky04
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No, he's made blunders all season, I can't recall a single stretch of the season where people were pleased with Carle's play. Those numbers they posted are more of a testament to how good Stralman and Garrison were this season.
Keep him or not, I don't think there's a way Yzerman isn't going to be eating part of that contract for years to come.
That's a testament of how well Carle does as the "2nd guy" on a pairing, rather than having to carry Sustr around.
If you know about this problem, why don't you solve it? ("you" being Cooper in this case)
Personally, I was fine with Carle whenever he didn't play with 62. Sure, he commits some turnovers, but so do others. In the playoffs, Carle had 16 turnovers, Coburn had 19. So that really can't be the point.
"He complemented Stralman, Garrison, and Barberio well. TB got murdered in chances/shots/goals when he was asked to carry Sustr." (Kyle Alexander)
and he's correct there. That's what both eyetest + stats tell.
IMO, keep him this year (simpley because we don't have any problems with the cap this year), but get rid of him next summer. Not because he is super bad, but because he's one of the more expendable guys while having one of the biggest cap hits. Don't think we'll have to retain. We won't get an overly great return, but maybe ARZ is interested in Carle. 2 more years, they don't care about the cap (rather trying to reach the floor, where Carle helps) and he can mentor the their yound D corps.
DarrylshutzSydor
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Right back at ya. That proposal of yours certainly won't get us the latter.
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