Doesn't Marner play with Matthews or Tavares. Don't get me wrong but Backlund is nowhere near as good as those two.
Marner vs Tkachuk
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Ya that's what I think is funny. Toronto fans will admit Gaudreau is better than Marner, but I think Tkachuk is better than Gaudreau.
If Tkachuk is within 25% of Gaudreau's points. You take him every time. Guess we value things differently
Helps when you have a franchise center by your side at all times. Makes the game that much easier.
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Hugely disagree. Gaudreau drives our team. Tkachuks great but he cant carry a team like Gaudreau. I feel like some Flames fans are starting to overrate Tkachuk
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Yeah Tkachuk is great but Gaudreau is our best player. Then Gio.
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Big Cactus
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You’re right the 13 game sample is much more accurate than the entire career so far.
Just for fun, ignoring rookie years
95gp/85pts= .90 ppg
82gp/66pts= .80ppg
Still a gap. Now there’s a legit argument in saying Tkachuk is better, my point was you’re not winning it with the ppg argument.
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Yeah dude I’m not sure what your deal is but so you know Tavares just got here last summer. They’ve played about 10 games together as he’s also played on the kadri line.
Marner has barely ever played with Matthews (they’ve never started a game on the same line). His most common centres have been Kadri and Bozak for his career.
I was just making a points production update. Even before this season i would have said Tkatchuk>Marner.
People here act like Tkatchuk is just a physical player with decent offensive talent. But he's one of the best playmaker in the nhl
Fair enough. If that's the case then it's close. I'd give Marner the offensive edge for now. But Tkachuk provides so much more than offense. Kadri and Backlund are close.
Gio is undoubtably our best player. Not even close really.
Johnny's great too but it's a no brainer to me who you ship off if a guns to your head. By the end of Gaudreau's contract this is going to be Tkachuks team.
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Fair enough. I just generally have an issue with cherry picking small samples to prove a point (especially when they’re producing at the same rate). Regardless I’d love to have a player like Matty on the leafs. He’s the type of player we need the most right now. Him and kadri would be horrible to play against.
For sure. Marner certainly has the offensive production/upside for now but it seems Tkachuk has the whole package. It’s tough for me because living in the east I don’t get to see a lot of Calgary so it’s hard to have a completely unbiased opinion. I’d have to look into the numbers but I wouldn’t doubt if Matthew was a better 5on5 producer at this point.
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If you don’t think Tkachuk drives his own line, you aren’t watching closely enough. This season he’s been every bit as impressive as Johnny.
I like you. We agree on so many points. I have no doubt you wouldn't trade Marner for Tkachuk. And I'm the same. I like Tkachuk's game a lot and I feel like he's just going to get better. As will Marner. I just don't have a lot of time to watch games in general lol. So a period here and there. Everyone has a bias to some extent. Even if they're a fan of a third team. You just can't help it. It's in human nature. Now if I said I'd take Tkachuk over Matthews, that would make me sound stupid. But Tkachuk and Marner is closer so bias will creep in. And it's not as black and white as it seems
Are you sure you're a Flames fan?
That is the most insulting thing I've ever read
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Tkachuk just passed Marner in points, and that’s the one area where Marner is supposed to be better.
If Tkachuk can keep up this level of production along with everything else he brings to the table, I don’t see how you can pass on him.
If Tkachuk can keep up this level of production along with everything else he brings to the table, I don’t see how you can pass on him.
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Tkachuk is over a ppg and I honestly don't think he's been all that great so far. Like he's been good but I've also seen him play better for extended periods of time. Not having defensive responsibilities heaped on him has definitely helped jumpstart his production.
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lol im sorry u felt so "insulted" by that. If u think Tkachuk is more valuble than one of the best players in the game right now idk what to say. Gaudreau>>Tkachuk ainec
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Put me in this category too. I for one have not been very impressed with him this year (which is a good thing given the results)
Gio
Johnny
Lindholm
Chucky
Is how I would rank them this year.
Wait, I thought Tkachuk wasn't in Marner's league?
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He's played with Tavares this year, not with Matthews.
Last two years he's primarily been with Bozak and JVR, and for a bit Kadri.
He hadn't received PP time w Matthews until this year, so no he really hasn't seen much time with Auston or Willy.
That's the beauty of it. While Tkachuk doesn't look as good this year yet (making more mistakes than usual) and while I have zero problem with anyone saying Gio has been our best player (absolute beast), Tkachuk has undoubtedly still been our best forward and there's literally zero evidence to suggest Gaudreau or Lindholm have been better.
