Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part V

[Papi 4 Hart]

Would be great to have him accept an offer sheet from another team and then win a cup without him

 

[Kiwi]

good post

and to the bolded , what else can they do ? if they did already offer 11m x 8yrs they've already caved just like they did with the rest of our high priced players

and i doubt MM's camp is taking the leak about Dube exploring deals seriously since he didn't have the balls to trade Nylander and Dube leaked that he was exploring trades during that contract negotiation as well

Dube ****ed up right from the get go with our cap , he should have made JT a 9,9.5m offer and then walked away if he didn't accept instead of giving him 11m and having the kids use him as an internal comparable .

No debate from me on that one, the fact he's reportedly turning down 11M×8 is a sign of just how bad this **** has become, that's a massive overpayment as is and that's still not enough

Let him sit, I'm willing to sit him out and entire year if it comes to it

I just hope Dubas has come to that conclusion to

 

[MyBudJT]

Lets rephrase this properly.

I would rather have nylander + kapanen + johnsson + 1rhd + free agent signings than marner.

I like depth. Especially for our defence.

Your more than welcome to show me a lineup with marner at 11 mill for next year with the cap at 82 mill.

I'd rather have Marner + Nylander + 1rhd + <1M signings/prospects than nylander + kapanen + johnsson + 1rhd + free agent signings

 

[Leaf4Life]

Lets go through this excercise, yet again. How many U22 players have scored 94+ points in the last 25 years?

Shall we also go through how much cap space trouble we'd be in if we were to give Marner $11M+, again?

I rather we have a solid all around team than a bunch of superstars and scrubs. Depth wins championships.

How many superstars do the Blues have again?

 

[MyBudJT]

Shall we also go through how much cap space trouble we'd be in if we were to give Marner $11M+, again?

Yeah, feel free! We can manage no problemo!

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Was Ryan O'Rielly insensible when he wanted to sign for 10.4% of the cap after only one season > 55 pts?

I don't think Marner is being insensible. He's trying to take advantage of this opportunity to make money... like the majority of other players in the NHL.

This is a concept I've been wondering about lately. In the NBA, fans don't complain when players demand and recieve the Max contract. However, in the NHL, when players want to get compensated for what they bring to the team, people have a fit.

I think he was sensible. Comparable production to Krecji 5v5. But would need to have an example of what one thinks is a sensible 10.5% signing.

 

[hotpaws]

Lets rephrase this properly.

I would rather have nylander + kapanen + johnsson + 1rhd + free agent signings than marner.

I like depth. Especially for our defence.

Your more than welcome to show me a lineup with marner at 11 mill for next year with the cap at 82 mill.

and i'd rather we had a much younger Marner instead of JT in you're scenario

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yeah, feel free! We can manage no problemo!

No, we can't when the coach gives depth players almost as much ice time as his stars.
We’ll need a major philosophical shift or get rid of Babcock for someone who actually will use his stars to the max.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Lets go through this excercise, yet again. How many U22 players have scored 94+ points in the last 25 years?

Don't care. He's not good enough to justify making him the highest paid winger in hockey, let alone him turning that down

 

[MyBudJT]

No, we can't when the coach gives depth players almost as much ice time as his stars.

Okay, you asked to go over it. Show me your numbers, and I'll show you how we can fix it.

 

[Leaf4Life]

Yeah, feel free! We can manage no problemo!

You think tying up HALF of our cap on 4 players is not a problem??

Like I said, how many superstars do the Blues have again? Depth wins championships.

 

[MyBudJT]

Don't care. He's not good enough to justify making him the highest paid winger in hockey, let alone him turning that down

He won't be getting the highest paid cap% among wingers in hockey. This kind of talk needs to stop.

 

[Havoc]

Day has been ruined if this rumor is true.

Hopefully Nylander is in his front yard doing cardio still. Dude will need to step up big time next season if this gets ugly.

I'm hoping Friedman is just trolling. How does he have this information? 8 x 11, take that and run Marner, wtf.

 

[Nooodles]

Would be great to have him accept an offer sheet from another team and then win a cup without him

Just like Colorado right?

 

[MyBudJT]

You think tying up HALF of our cap on 4 players is not a problem??

Like I said, how many superstars do the Blues have again? Depth wins championships.

No, I don't think it'll be a problem. First of all, it isn't half. And second of all, we can make it work.

 

[Cor]

If the Marner camp has turned down 11M for 8 years, it's time for a trade.

It's sad, but it's true.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Would anyone do Marner for Pesce and TT?

 

[MyBudJT]

Would anyone do Marner for Pesce and TT?

 

[Cor]

Would anyone do Marner for Pesce and TT?

Interesting. Top pair RHD, and a replacement winger who got 76 points on a lower scoring team.

I don't really want to think about it either way though

 

[X66]

and i'd rather we had a much younger Marner instead of JT in you're scenario

Dude they're gonna keep them both relax.

 

[Mattavarner]

Saw this online and I like it
If Marner signs an offersheet for 11.5M lets say, you take the 4 first round picks.
Then you immediately turn around and offersheet Laine for 8.5M, which would be 2 firsts, a second and a third I believe.
This leaves 3M extra cap room to sign Kapanen
So essentially your trading Marner, 2 firsts, a second, and a third
In return you get Laine, 4 first rounders, and keep Kapanen

 

[hotpaws]

Dude they're gonna keep them both relax.

i'm sure they will and i'm equally sure the rest of the lineup will take a hit because of it

 

[IPS]

Marner won't be happy unless he's a top-3 paid player in the league

Pure blasphemy.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Shall we also go through how much cap space trouble we'd be in if we were to give Marner $11M+, again?

I rather we have a solid all around team than a bunch of superstars and scrubs. Depth wins championships.

How many superstars do the Blues have again?

Any team with:
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Reilly
Andersen

Can win.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Just like Colorado right?

Are you referring to the Ryan O'Rielly offer sheet that was quickly matched by Colorado? Then years later he won a cup after playing for 2 different teams?