Player Discussion Mark "Vigilante” Borowiecki

[Agent Zub]

Nope. Boro is a 6/7 in this league.
People just can’t look objectively. If anything it’s the constant trolls that are cultist.

he's a defensive defenceman who is a liability and sucks at defense. How does that make him an NHL regular?

What does he do better than Jaros, Harpur, Wolanin?

Objectively enlighten me.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Nope. Boro is a 6/7 in this league.
People just can’t look objectively. If anything it’s the constant trolls that are cultist.

He's a 6/7 guy who played 21:39 last night and was directly responsible for 2 goals against.

 

[slamigo]

He's a 6/7 guy who played 21:39 last night and was directly responsible for 2 goals against.

It’s not Boro’s fault that he’s getting lots of ice time. He is a 6/7 on pretty much any team in the league. I’m not even a pro-Boro guy. But I am objective and on that one play, I feel he made the right decision. You disagree. Fine.
But keep slinging insults if it makes you feel better.

 

[GrantLemons]

He's a 6/7 guy who played 21:39 last night and was directly responsible for 2 goals against.

LOL. Omg I didn't realize it was that bad. That is so horribly pathetic we have a guy like that playing over 20 a night for us.

 

[JungleBeat]

Borowiecki is not NHL caliber. He played at an NHL level for probably ~20 games in his career and that was all last year.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Borowiecki is not NHL caliber. He played at an NHL level for probably ~20 games in his career and that was all last year.

He's the Wayne Gretzky of hitting tho!

 

[bert]

Honesltly Boro is barely even a top 4 d on out AHL team. And it's not because we're so deep..it's just how bad this foundational player is.

Wolanin
Jaros
Harpur

Are all vastly superior hockey players.

Vastly superior, lol come on man. He isnt great but alot better than you describe.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He's the Wayne Gretzky of hitting tho!

Scott Stevens he is not

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I remember being told on here that Cory Conacher was better than Brendan Gallagher. List the top 13/top 7 NHL players on all 31 teams Boro is a better hockey player than

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Scott Stevens he is not

No no. Its all about quantity, not quality. Boro gonna pad his hit totals. This is known.

 

[Agent Zub]

No no. Its all about quantity, not quality. Boro gonna pad his hit totals. This is known.

It actually makes him one of the most selfish players on the team lol

But gotta respect the glue guys right?

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Scott Stevens he is not

It was more so a reference to this article

Dellow: Mark Borowiecki, the Wayne Gretzky of hitting people...

which is equal parts funny and sad

 

[branch]

Nope. Boro is a 6/7 in this league.
People just can’t look objectively. If anything it’s the constant trolls that are cultist.

He def is not. He can hit guys but even the most rudimentary 6-7 can play responsibly and move the puck.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

It actually makes him one of the most selfish players on the team lol

But gotta respect the glue guys right?

Agreed. Dude selfishly puts himself in spots to rack up hit totals and runs around like the greased up deaf guy. Then he spouts off gobbledegook about accountability and playing a team game. Absolute shameless company man. I've lost all respect for him and he's easily one of my least favourite players in Sens history. His stunt with Melnyk puts him on Heatley and Yashin's level.

 

[Karl Prime]

Imagine how soft our d is without boro, you had the chance to see it last season and it wasn't pretty

Boro played 52 games last season. It's not like those 30 games he missed cost the Sens a chance at the playoffs.

The D was pretty good in the '17 playoffs without him.

I'd easily take Chabot, Lajoie, and Wolanin as LD over him and Ceci, Jaros, and Wideman as RD over him.

 

[solidprospect]

Boro played 52 games last season. It's not like those 30 games he missed cost the Sens a chance at the playoffs.

The D was pretty good in the '17 playoffs without him.

I'd easily take Chabot, Lajoie, and Wolanin as LD over him and Ceci, Jaros, and Wideman as RD over him.

We don't have the luxary of picking anyone over him right now. Also throwing every teams best forward against chabot or Lajoie would be pretty harsh.Not a chance at the playoffs last year but their was a noticeable difference defensively when he returned. Who was/is going to hit anyone on the team last year or this year other than Boro? It's otherwise a defence full of poke checkers and not able to stand anyone up at the blueline. Easy access into our own end.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

We don't have the luxary of picking anyone over him right now. Also throwing every teams best forward against chabot or Lajoie would be pretty harsh.Not a chance at the playoffs last year but their was a noticeable difference defensively when he returned. Who was/is going to hit anyone on the team last year or this year other than Boro? It's otherwise a defence full of poke checkers and not able to stand anyone up at the blueline. Easy access into our own end.

Hitting is rarely the right play defensively in 2018.

 

[solidprospect]

Hitting is rarely the right play defensively in 2018.

Prove it.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Prove it.

Exhibit A: Mark Borowiecki.

 

[Agent Zub]

Exhibit A: Mark Borowiecki.

lmao one punch knockout

 

[solidprospect]

weak, your bias is obviously flawed

 

[Mr Hat]

Prove it.

Players are too fast. Sure Boro might connect on 30% of hits and crush people but the other 70% he gets walked by anyone with their head up. Not a winning ratio.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

weak, your bias is obviously flawed

May I present to you Erik Karlsson and Niklas Lidstrom who have 9 Norris trophies to their name. Jonathan Toews, Patrice Bergeron, Anze Kopitar and Pavel Datsyuk who have a combined 10 Selke trophies. These are all the cream of the crop defensively because they use their feet and stick to defend.

 

[solidprospect]

May I present to you Erik Karlsson and Niklas Lidstrom who have 9 Norris trophies to their name. Jonathan Toews, Patrice Bergeron, Anze Kopitar and Pavel Datsyuk who have a combined 10 Selke trophies. These are all the cream of the crop defensively because they use their feet and stick to defend.

This isn't proof of anything.

Players are too fast. Sure Boro might connect on 30% of hits and crush people but the other 70% he gets walked by anyone with their head up. Not a winning ratio.

Neither is this

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

he's a defensive defenceman who is a liability and sucks at defense. How does that make him an NHL regular?

What does he do better than Jaros, Harpur, Wolanin?

Objectively enlighten me.

What does Jaros, Harpur or Wolanin do better than Mark Borowiecki ? All three of them failed to crack the opening day roster .......... so that's one thing they are not better at, than Mark Borowiecki

Mark Borowiecki, as pointed out earlier, in 270 career regular season games, is only a -2, and -1 in 8 playoff games.