McKenzie: Mark Stone Mega-Thread Pt. 2 - Jets pursuing Stone, Ottawa working on contract extension

[Korpse]

If the rental cost on Stone is too high I would have zero interest in him and the Jets would benefit more from multi smaller cheaper moves both in the long run & potentially short run. If Stone is signed (unlikely) that changes his return (increases it).

What's too much? Is Mason Appleton too much?

 

[Kazcram]

Let's face it after Tavares last year more and more will go to FA to test the market. Knowing that, teams will be very hesitant to give up too much value for potentially less than 2 months of hockey in a player

 

[Whileee]

Let's recap the sellers that want a 1st and buyers who might offer a 1st...

Sellers:

Sens
Stone (1st, or two)
Duchene (1st)
Dzingel (1st?)

CBJ
Panarin (1st)

Rangers
Hayes (1st)
Kreider? (1st)

Flyers
Simmonds (1st)

Wild
Staal? (1st)

Wings
Nyquist (1st?)

Buyers

Jets (1st)

Flames (1st)

Vegas (1st)

Preds (1st)

Bruins (1st)

Bolts (no 2019 1st)

Sharks (no 2019 1st)

 

[DRW204]

Problem for the Jets is if we are extending Stone beyond rental status, we need some cap freed up, and to do that we need to move ELC kids up and higher paid guys out.
Vesalainen would fill a role on the wing in place of Connor/Ehlers.
Roslovic, hopefully, replaces Little at 2C.
Niku replaces Kulikov on the LD.
Jets don’t want a rental Stone, so the money guys, right now, are working over time crunching figures.
But, ultimately, Chevy will need to talk to Stone prior to any trade, to gauge interest in him re-signing. If he’s not interested, this all becomes moot and the Jets move on to Duchene/Panarin/Simmonds/etc...

the Jets don't need to make cap moves right now, they have enough cap to fit Stone adequately this year. Any cap moves will be made in the off-season. They will go into the POs with Connor/Ehlers/Laine/Stone. Everything involving the cap is a question mark until Trouba is figured out too

 

[BatVader]

the Jets don't need to make cap moves right now, they have enough cap to fit Stone adequately this year. Any cap moves will be made in the off-season. They will go into the POs with Connor/Ehlers/Laine/Stone. Everything involving the cap is a question mark until Trouba is figured out too

My point, which is apparently lost, is that we can’t trade our ELC guys if we will need them to step up to replace guys being moved out to free up cap.

I’d do 1st+Appleton+

 

[Snowman]

Still doesn't make sense. Petan value is 0. Comrie is a mediocre goalie prospect, so while he has potential his trade value is low also.

If it's our 1st and Petan + Comrie, what B prospect are we adding to that because neither of those guys qualify?

I would stick pretty close to our supposed original offer of a max of our 1st, Petan, Stanley. That's it. Unless they would prefer whatever other selection of B type prospects to go with our 1st.

 

[Bond]

I bet all the roster players on the buying teams are basically the below:

 

[tntkid]

Sens should have traded Duchene and Stone last year when they had term.
They have a couple days to get as much as they can for 2 rentals.

Ottawa fans more than likely will be very disappointed with the return they get and they can thank their gm for that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think we might need to combine the Duchene and Stone threads after this one...

f*** it... Habs go get both Duchene and Stone with extensions for them both. Sens will need contracts like Shaw and Alzner to get to the cap floor next year and during their rebuild years. Blockbuster deal and Habs move all in...

Sens Trade:
- Duchene (Habs sign him for 7 more years at $9.5M)
- Stone (Habs sign him for 7 more years at $9.5M)
* Both get 90% of the money paid in July yearly for the first 4 years.

Habs Trade:
- 2019 1st
- 2019 (both 2nd round picks) or 2020 1st
- Poehling
- Suzuki
- Lehkonen
- Juulsen
- Shaw
- Alzner

* Stone vs 2019 1st, Poehling, Juulsen, Alzner
* Duchene vs 2020 1st, Suzuki, Lehkonen, Shaw

 

[Hunter368]

What's too much? Is Mason Appleton too much?

Hyperbole doesn’t help any discussion

 

[Clayonator]

Sens can’t possibly expect more for a player they have already lost in 20 games, and the Jets will have to bid more than other suitors, so a 2nd round pick and VESA (which is our position of depth) is fair

Oh but we do. Next.

 

[Korpse]

Hyperbole doesn’t help and discussion

I'm trying to figure it out. I personally think Appleton would be a good compromise and stated that at the start of these threads but it never really gained any traction for obvious reasons. I think Appleton, Stanley, a 1st and a conditional pick could be beneficial to both sides personally. Is that too much?

 

[Snowman]

How about 1ST pick, Comrie, Stanley and Kulikov. 1ST pick stays no matter if Stone is signed or not.

We can't afford to lose a roster defenseman, so the Jets need to keep Kulikov.

 

[TheJadePipe]

Oh but we do. Next.

That is a formula for disappointment.

 

[stempniaksen]

Bobby Mac stated it could take as much as 2 1st round picks and 2 prospects for Stone and then went on to mention Vesalainen by name as a guy who might be able to be subbed inf for a 1st.

As always the truth lies somewhere in the middle, Stone will never return what Sens fans want for him, but I do think when he's moved he'll get more than most rentals have gone for.

I think at minimum, a team like the Jets would be looking at something like 1st 2019 + Appleton + Stanley + Cond 1st 2020. Wouldn't be overly surprised to see Vesalainen + 1st 2019 + smaller piece (Petan?) either though.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

It's going to be fun seeing what he actually goes for.

If it's as a rental it won't be more than 1st + decent prospect + decent young AHL/NHLer.

You're crazy if you think a rental is getting 1st + top prospect, it doesn't happen.

 

[Whileee]

I'm trying to figure it out. I personally think Appleton would be a good compromise and stated that at the start of these threads but it never really gained any traction for obvious reasons. I think Appleton, Stanley, a 1st and a conditional pick could be beneficial to both sides personally. Is that too much?

I think that would be a decent basis. I'd prefer that the Jets move Lemieux instead of Appleton, but it's hard to know how the Jets and Sens value the two.

 

[BatVader]

I'm trying to figure it out. I personally think Appleton would be a good compromise and stated that at the start of these threads but it never really gained any traction for obvious reasons. I think Appleton, Stanley, a 1st and a conditional pick could be beneficial to both sides personally. Is that too much?

I’d, personally, prefer to move 1st+Appleton+????
I think that’s a better deal for both teams.

 

[Whileee]

1st, Lemieux, Stanley, 2020 2nd (becomes 2021 1st if Stone extends long term). I don't think the Sens would get more than that, or that the Jets would spend more. I think the Sens might want to deal with the Jets because Stone is most likely to extend with them, adding to the trade value.

 

[ranold26]

https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-impact-of-sens-trio-sitting-vs-devils-1.1261647
Stone’s price tag?
McKenzie: If the Ottawa Senators do trade
the belief is that they’d be looking for four elements to the trade. It could be as much as two first-round picks and two very good prospects.

You Stone advocates are.....wait for it... STONED.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's going to be fun seeing what he actually goes for.

If it's as a rental it won't be more than 1st + decent prospect + decent young AHL/NHLer.

You're crazy if you think a rental is getting 1st + top prospect, it doesn't happen.

Agreed. No NHL GM is going to give a 1st and a top prospect for a rental. Stone is good but not that good.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think we might need to combine the Duchene and Stone threads after this one...

**** it... Habs go get both Duchene and Stone with extensions for them both. Sens will need contracts like Shaw and Alzner to get to the cap floor next year and during their rebuild years. Blockbuster deal and Habs move all in...

Sens Trade:
- Duchene (Habs sign him for 7 more years at $9.5M)
- Stone (Habs sign him for 7 more years at $9.5M)
* Both get 90% of the money paid in July yearly for the first 4 years.

Habs Trade:
- 2019 1st
- 2019 (both 2nd round picks) or 2020 1st
- Poehling
- Suzuki
- Lehkonen
- Juulsen
- Shaw
- Alzner

* Stone vs 2019 1st, Poehling, Juulsen, Alzner
* Duchene vs 2020 1st, Suzuki, Lehkonen, Shaw

Sens fans... what do you think about this offer?

 

[CupInSIX]

https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-impact-of-sens-trio-sitting-vs-devils-1.1261647
Stone’s price tag?
McKenzie: If the Ottawa Senators do trade
the belief is that they’d be looking for four elements to the trade. It could be as much as two first-round picks and two very good prospects.

You Stone advocates are.....wait for it... STONED.

"As much as" sounds like 2 conditional 1sts and 2 prospects/young players.

Remember, Garth Snow thought Collberg was a very good prospect.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

1st, Lemieux, Stanley, 2020 2nd (becomes 2021 1st if Stone extends long term). I don't think the Sens would get more than that, or that the Jets would spend more. I think the Sens might want to deal with the Jets because Stone is most likely to extend with them, adding to the trade value.

Yeah this is the absolute limit I'd probably spend.

If it ends up as 1st, 2nd, Lemieux, Stanley for a rental, that's a bad deal for us (even though I'm not too high on Lemieux/Stanley, I still think they have fairly decent value around the league).

 

[Hunter368]

I'm trying to figure it out. I personally think Appleton would be a good compromise and stated that at the start of these threads but it never really gained any traction for obvious reasons. I think Appleton, Stanley, a 1st and a conditional pick could be beneficial to both sides personally. Is that too much?

Appleton I’m sure is absolutely available.

Stanley = 1st rd pick

1st rd pick

Conditional pick if he signs? What pick?

So we’re sitting at basically two 1st rd picks, Appleton & conditional pick (based on if he signs?) is what you’re saying?