Mark Scheifele potential

[King Woodballs]

I believe Redmond is waiver eligible next year. I can't see him making it through.

Everyone said that about postma and Kulda too

 

[garret9]

you can talk about his junior skillset...but that hasn' translated to the bigs. don't care as far as the reasons why. we don't have time machines. can't correct him being rushed. but we can see how he (didn't) fare in the AHL for his brief stint this season. we could see how he was put on the 4th line by Noel. so not sure if you can compare oranges to apples.

*Burmistrov hasn't translated to top6 scoring (yet, TBD still if or not if that does or doesn't happens he has ) but is a bonafide NHLer, which only occurs 50% of the time for picks at that point
*There are still many things that have translated very well for Burmistrov

a)He was 7th on the team for 5v5 points per minute, on a team that is 10th in the league for 5v5 points per minute, and he had the least amount of TOI with scoring players in the Jets top9 scorers (his #2 TOI partner was Tangradi and #4 was Santorelli)... PS his avg % TOI with scoring players was lower than Scheifele's during his trial here
b) In the league this puts him almost smack in the middle for points per a minute (out of 605 players who have played more than 20 games)
c) The Jets have had their second best shooting differentials when he is on the ice for 5v5 (beaten by Ladd), 4v5 (beaten by Kane)
e)That 5v5 shot diff is within top 40% of forwards and the 4v5
d) Every single player on the Jets' except for Jokinen was better with Burmistrov than without
​

* Here's an interesting one because it dismisses some of the "bad habits" rep => Jet's Zone Entry

*He attempted to dump the puck almost as often as he tried to enter in the zone (not counting line-change dumps), which is more than many others
*he had one of the Jets better success rates in zone entry and one of the better rates in getting scoring chances per entry​

While he is no true-blue top6, he was a very good 3rd liner at 21.
While he has his mistakes and faults that need to be addressed, I think they are heavily over-exaggerated here.
Some of Noel's decision making was heavily questionable.



It is oranges and apples however, and I actually still think they both have great potential still.

 

[garret9]

I think Redmond sticks in NHL. May be a 6/7 dman but he should be in Winnipeg. IMO, has more upside than Postma. Really question Postma's ability to defend.

Normally it's offensive abilities that creates your upside... as defensive side is more learned (although not 100% true)

 

[truck]

Everyone said that about postma and Kulda too

Postma got a one way deal and stayed with the big club.

 

[Huffer]

Eric O'Dell will be in the mix at RW too. He is a right handed shot and looked good next to Burmi on the Rock.

True, I don't know if he's the best option for the second line RW. Or to put it another way, that we would want to assume he could handle it.
I like the idea of him on the third line with Jokinin and Burmi (if Burmi isn't on the second).
Just another reason why if we could get a guy like Hemsky cheap, other guys get moved down to the third line where they might be better fits.

 

[Bob E]

Normally it's offensive abilities that creates your upside... as defensive side is more learned (although not 100% true)

I was referring to just being a competent NHL dman that can play more mins in more situations or roles. Redmonds offensive upside is underrated too, IMO. But I think his overall ability surpasses Postma.

Is Postma's offensive upside higher, maybe, but I don't see him gaining the coach's confidence unless he really improves his defensive game. Otherwise he becomes a specialist and has a much more limited role, IMO.

 

[truck]

True, I don't know if he's the best option for the second line RW. Or to put it another way, that we would want to assume he could handle it.
I like the idea of him on the third line with Jokinin and Burmi (if Burmi isn't on the second).
Just another reason why if we could get a guy like Hemsky cheap, other guys get moved down to the third line where they might be better fits.

2nd line or 3rd line
Right Wing or Centre

He should be in the mix. I agree, I don't see him jumping right onto the 2nd line. I do like his positional versatility and upside though.

LLW
Kane-Olli-UFA
UFA/Burmi-Scheifele/Burmi-O'Dell
Tanger-Slater-Peluso

EDIT

Note: Olli isn't on the 2nd line because I want him there, that is just where I think he lands.

 

[jetsfan101]

2nd line or 3rd line
Right Wing or Centre

He should be in the mix. I agree, I don't see him jumping right onto the 2nd line. I do like his positional versatility and upside though.

LLW
Kane-Olli-UFA
UFA/Burmi-Scheifele/Burmi-O'Dell
Tanger-Slater-Peluso

EDIT

Note: Olli isn't on the 2nd line because I want him there, that is just where I think he lands.

I think you forgot James Wright?

 

[truck]

I think you forgot James Wright?

I did. Swap him for Tanger.

No biggie one way or another.

 

[sully1410]

I did. Swap him for Tanger.

No biggie one way or another.

No biggie? James Wright is AWESOME!

People think he's a top six fwd!

 

[Whileee]

*Burmistrov hasn't translated to top6 scoring (yet, TBD still if or not if that does or doesn't happens he has ) but is a bonafide NHLer, which only occurs 50% of the time for picks at that point
*There are still many things that have translated very well for Burmistrov

a)He was 7th on the team for 5v5 points per minute, on a team that is 10th in the league for 5v5 points per minute, and he had the least amount of TOI with scoring players in the Jets top9 scorers (his #2 TOI partner was Tangradi and #4 was Santorelli)... PS his avg % TOI with scoring players was lower than Scheifele's during his trial here
b) In the league this puts him almost smack in the middle for points per a minute (out of 605 players who have played more than 20 games)
c) The Jets have had their second best shooting differentials when he is on the ice for 5v5 (beaten by Ladd), 4v5 (beaten by Kane)
e)That 5v5 shot diff is within top 40% of forwards and the 4v5
d) Every single player on the except for Jokinen was better with Burmistrov than without
​

* Here's an interesting one because it dismisses some of the "bad habits" rep => Jet's Zone Entry

*He attempted to dump the puck almost as often as he tried to enter in the zone (not counting line-change dumps), which is more than many others
*he had one of the Jets better success rates in zone entry and one of the better rates in getting scoring chances per entry​

While he is no true-blue top6, he was a very good 3rd liner at 21.
While he has his mistakes and faults that need to be addressed, I think they are heavily over-exaggerated here.
Some of Noel's decision making was heavily questionable.



It is oranges and apples however, and I actually still think they both have great potential still.

Thanks for sharing this. I'm one of those that think that Burmi has had a bad rap by Jets' fans and Noel. Beyond the advanced stats, watching the games makes it obvious (to me) that he is one of the few players outside of the top 4 forwards that matches the skill and speed of other teams in his play. It is very evident that when he is centering a line, it results in less time in the Jets' zone, and more in the opposition zone. He occasionally makes plays that are overly ambitious, but it doesn't happen that often. He lacks a scoring touch, but I think he will develop into a good play-maker. If the Jets develop into a team where Burmi is the third line center, with plenty of PK and a bit of PP time, I think they have a very solid and valuable player. He might even develop a bit more upside that would allow him to slide into a role on the top-6.

 

[garret9]

Thanks for sharing this. I'm one of those that think that Burmi has had a bad rap by Jets' fans and Noel. Beyond the advanced stats, watching the games makes it obvious (to me) that he is one of the few players outside of the top 4 forwards that matches the skill and speed of other teams in his play. It is very evident that when he is centering a line, it results in less time in the Jets' zone, and more in the opposition zone. He occasionally makes plays that are overly ambitious, but it doesn't happen that often. He lacks a scoring touch, but I think he will develop into a good play-maker. If the Jets develop into a team where Burmi is the third line center, with plenty of PK and a bit of PP time, I think they have a very solid and valuable player. He might even develop a bit more upside that would allow him to slide into a role on the top-6.

Mhmm...
He makes mistakes and isn't "amazing" but I don't think he is close to the sucks and I don't think he is a problem child... I don't even think Noel thinks he is a problem child. Noel just makes "interesting" lineup and pressbox choices.
I think he'd be great on a line with Scheifele if they are not both centering a line.

 

[jetsfan101]

I did. Swap him for Tanger.

No biggie one way or another.

I thought Tangradi was starting to come around in the last couple of weeks playing with Burm on the third line. If he started the season there, I wouldn't be opposed. Antro would be my preference, but Tanger would be just fine, too.

 

[veganhunter]

Thanks for sharing this. I'm one of those that think that Burmi has had a bad rap by Jets' fans and Noel. Beyond the advanced stats, watching the games makes it obvious (to me) that he is one of the few players outside of the top 4 forwards that matches the skill and speed of other teams in his play. It is very evident that when he is centering a line, it results in less time in the Jets' zone, and more in the opposition zone. He occasionally makes plays that are overly ambitious, but it doesn't happen that often. He lacks a scoring touch, but I think he will develop into a good play-maker. If the Jets develop into a team where Burmi is the third line center, with plenty of PK and a bit of PP time, I think they have a very solid and valuable player. He might even develop a bit more upside that would allow him to slide into a role on the top-6.

Mhmm...
He makes mistakes and isn't "amazing" but I don't think he is close to the sucks and I don't think he is a problem child... I don't even think Noel thinks he is a problem child. Noel just makes "interesting" lineup and pressbox choices.
I think he'd be great on a line with Scheifele if they are not both centering a line.

Advanced stats are a bunch of bologna! That's not not what my eyes are telling me! Bust! Trade him!

In all seriousness I totally agree with both of you.

I thought Tangradi was starting to come around in the last couple of weeks playing with Burm on the third line. If he started the season there, I wouldn't be opposed. Antro would be my preference, but Tanger would be just fine, too.

Agreed Tangradi was starting to look like a different player at the end of the year.

 

[Guerzy]

This is good to hear, given it's a highly respected program.

From the WFP,

While Scheifele has been relaxing and recovering, he admitted his thoughts have turned already to some off-season training.

"I'm supposed to be keeping my mind off training right now with the last week off," Scheifele said. "But I think I'm going to change a few things. I've been talking to my agent about it, talking to Winnipeg a bit, and (former NHLer) Gary Roberts is coming up a lot and I'm really hoping I'll get the opportunity to train with him."

Details are yet to be finalized, Scheifele said.

"That's the thing I'm leaning towards right now," he added. "I think it would be a great opportunity for me. I've heard only good things and I know some of my friends work out there."

 

[surixon]

This is good to hear, given it's a highly respected program.

From the WFP,

Excellent! I was hoping he would go there this summer. It has done a world of good with a lot of young players.

 

[Guerzy]

Excellent! I was hoping he would go there this summer. It has done a world of good with a lot of young players.

Yep. It's a complete lifestyle change even for a hockey player, not just a workout program, which is the huge plus. Hopefully it does some good things and helps Mark out, even just a little bit. Every bit helps.

 

[truck]

Guerzy do you actually moderate the globe?

 

[Guerzy]

Guerzy do you actually moderate the globe?

I try to.

 

[sully1410]

I hope it helps him keep his feet in this upcoming season.

I'd also like to see him work on his skating.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Excellent! I was hoping he would go there this summer. It has done a world of good with a lot of young players.

Peluso went there as well.

 

[Bob E]

Peluso went there as well.

And now he's a beauty! .

 

[Howard Chuck]

And now he's a beauty! .

Roberts certainly didn't teach him how to NOT break a hand.

 

[Bob E]

Roberts certainly didn't teach him how to NOT break a hand.

Maybe Peluso missed that day of training. Went for a slurpee or something.

Let's hope Mark doesn't skip that training day and can learn how not to break his 'silky mitts' in a fight.

 

[BigZ65]

Postma got a one way deal and stayed with the big club.

Is Postma surplus? I think we should try to turn him into something useful to us, because we can only dress 6 D.