Recalled/Assigned: Marek Hrivik

[kovazub94]

With the country existing for just 23 years, it's not that surprising. Would probably be similar with Czech players... I'm interested if we had any players from the Slovak part of the CSSR but I'm too young to remember and too lazy to look it up, so...

Good point but Slokakia became independent a few years before the Rangers won SC in 1994. Is CSSR a reference to Czechoslovakia?

 

[NYR Viper]

If AV were smart, he would call up Bourque and play Hrivik on one side and Bourque on the other. Let that line play about 5 games together with Moore.

 

[kovazub94]

If AV were smart, he would call up Bourque and play Hrivik on one side and Bourque on the other. Let that line play about 5 games together with Moore.

But who will be sitting to make room for Glass?

 

[TheTakedown]

But who will be sitting to make room for Glass?

Hayes obv. Glass has that vet presence

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If AV were smart, he would call up Bourque and play Hrivik on one side and Bourque on the other. Let that line play about 5 games together with Moore.

Just because AV has different expectations for the 4th line compared to people on a message board doesn't mean hes not smart.

That said, Im not so sure how smart playing both Borque and Hrivik would be in general.

 

[The Gloaming]

Just because AV has different expectations for the 4th line compared to people on a message board doesn't mean hes not smart.

That said, Im not so sure how smart playing both Borque and Hrivik would be in general.

Almost as smart as playing Glass and Paille. Not very.

 

[Kokoschka]

Good point but Slokakia became independent a few years before the Rangers won SC in 1994. Is CSSR a reference to Czechoslovakia?

Yeah, it's Czechoslovakia. Can't you use the abbreviation in English as well? Translated it means czecho-slovak socialist republic and works in both Czech/Slovak and German, so I had no idea it didn't exist in English... Guess you learn something new every day.

 

[cwede]

With the country existing for just 23 years, it's not that surprising. Would probably be similar with Czech players... I'm interested if we had any players from the Slovak part of the CSSR but I'm too young to remember and too lazy to look it up, so...

the first players I recall identifying as Slovak were the Stastny's in the early 80's

of course one of the greatest players of the 60's was Czech - Stan Mikita
4 scoring titles, 2 MVPs, 2 Lady Byng's in a 5 season stretch
(it helps to have Bobby Hull on your left, but who was helping who...

 

[Ori]

Well, he had like 7min. 1 hit - not always easy to perform related to callups with pressure and all that for new players. How did he play?
I didn`t watch the game.

 

[Mikos87]

Well, he had like 7min. 1 hit - not always easy to perform related to callups with pressure and all that for new players. How did he play?
I didn`t watch the game.

He wasn't bad, made the smart safe play. They put him out on the PK, he blocked a shot.

Other times he did something the 4th line hasn't been doing, getting pucks into a cycle in the o-zone. Came out with the puck, dropped it down low... but Moore and Glass couldn't keep it going.

Had a nice 4 man cycle with Boyle.... again playing a containment game but not generating chances, which for your 4th line is a good thing.

He did ice the puck... guy was coming in for a hit, Hrivik cleared right before he hit the red line... his only gaffe of the game, although it was a soft enough dump where the DET could have played it, but slowed down and got a favorable call.

 

[MacTruck27]

If AV were smart, he would call up Bourque and play Hrivik on one side and Bourque on the other. Let that line play about 5 games together with Moore.

i think this is the best idea yet. Both of these players would theoretically offer an offensive presence that glass simply doesn't have. Unfortunately, based on AV's quotes Glass isn't sitting anytime soon. At least this kid is getting a shot as opposed to gibbons or megna.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

With the country existing for just 23 years, it's not that surprising. Would probably be similar with Czech players... I'm interested if we had any players from the Slovak part of the CSSR but I'm too young to remember and too lazy to look it up, so...

Igor Liba, played for us in 1988-89 and is Slovak, but back then it was still Czechoslovakia.

The thing with Slovaks is that even though it was 1 country, there has always been a divide between the 2 regions and they always acted as their own country, similar to Catalunya in Spain

 

[Ori]

He wasn't bad, made the smart safe play. They put him out on the PK, he blocked a shot.

Other times he did something the 4th line hasn't been doing, getting pucks into a cycle in the o-zone. Came out with the puck, dropped it down low... but Moore and Glass couldn't keep it going.

Had a nice 4 man cycle with Boyle.... again playing a containment game but not generating chances, which for your 4th line is a good thing.

He did ice the puck... guy was coming in for a hit, Hrivik cleared right before he hit the red line... his only gaffe of the game, although it was a soft enough dump where the DET could have played it, but slowed down and got a favorable call.

Nice, that`s promising - I looking forward to next Rangers game for sure!

 

[TheTakedown]

i think this is the best idea yet. Both of these players would theoretically offer an offensive presence that glass simply doesn't have. Unfortunately, based on AV's quotes Glass isn't sitting anytime soon. At least this kid is getting a shot as opposed to gibbons or megna.

If they like what they see in Hrivik, and they like Lindberg on the 3rd line, then there is a chance we see:

Lindberg-Hayes-Buch
Bourque-Hrivik-Fast

as the bottom 6 for next year

Ideally I'd like to see Nash moved and Buch slotted up by middle of the 2016-17 season. 2017 comes, dump Girardi, sign Shattenkirk

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If they like what they see in Hrivik, and they like Lindberg on the 3rd line, then there is a chance we see:

Lindberg-Hayes-Buch
Bourque-Hrivik-Fast

as the bottom 6 for next year

Ideally I'd like to see Nash moved and Buch slotted up by middle of the 2016-17 season. 2017 comes, dump Girardi, sign Shattenkirk

I prefer to see Fast on the 3rd and have Lindberg center the 4th line.

 

[TheTakedown]

I prefer to see Fast on the 3rd and have Lindberg center the 4th line.

can't disagree. Fast is the better player right now. Lindberg is also a natural center. Not sure what Hrivik is, but he played wing yesterday. thought he was a C on the pack.

I'm reaching here, he's played one game for us, but if that one player costs us no assets its a huge gain

SpeedyWinger-Hayes-Fast
Bourque-Lindberg-Hrivik

 

[flemo]

of course one of the greatest players of the 60's was Czech - Stan Mikita

Mikita was Slovak.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Mikita was Slovak.

Seeing as you are from Slovakia, can you explain the difference between Czechs and Slovaks and why there was such a divide even before the separation of the 2 nations.

 

[Levitate]

Seeing as you are from Slovakia, can you explain the difference between Czechs and Slovaks and why there was such a divide even before the separation of the 2 nations.

IIRC they were already separate nations or at least distinct regions before being forced into one country by outside influences (The USSR? I can't actually remember)

So, obviously I'm not expert but they were pretty distinct before being one country, it might be vaguely like if the US and Canada were suddenly forced to become one country. They are similar in a lot of ways but if you asked a former Canadian if he was a true Canimerican he probably wouldn't be too happy with it

 

[Kokoschka]

IIRC they were already separate nations or at least distinct regions before being forced into one country by outside influences (The USSR? I can't actually remember)

So, obviously I'm not expert but they were pretty distinct before being one country, it might be vaguely like if the US and Canada were suddenly forced to become one country. They are similar in a lot of ways but if you asked a former Canadian if he was a true Canimerican he probably wouldn't be too happy with it

They were part of the same political entity to begin with, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. The Czech part belonged to the Austrian part of the double monarchy, the Slovak part to the Hungarian part. They were, to put it mildly, oppressed pretty badly culturally and politically by the Austrians and Hungarians. So, they strived for independence.

I actually think it was Woodrow Wilson who cooked up the idea of putting them in one and the state when the Monarchy fell apart after WWI. They were part of the Cordon Sanitaire, so Czechoslovakia's very purpose (from a French and British pov) was to stop Lenin's ideas from spreading around. The country was then called Czechoslovak Republic. It was, at least in context of history, quite a prosperous, liberal, multi-ethical state. Some historians even refer to it as the "Switzerland of the East". During WWII the Czech part was de-facto under German rule, while Slovakia was a Nazi-German puppet state. They only got under Soviet influence after WWII.

The issue was, the Czech part was more advanced, had a lot of industry that was built up in the monarchy, while the Slovak part, aside from maybe Bratislava and Kosice was rather rural prior to the communist period. Ergo the Czech part was richer. In the end they split up in 1992 because the respective political elites from both parts of the country weren't able to get along.


Anyway, that's the history lesson for today, kids .

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Almost as smart as playing Glass and Paille. Not very.

You know whats also not very smart? Assuming any warm body is a better option. Hrivik didn't do much of anything last night and was stapled to the bench in the 3rd.

AV has made it quite clear that he wants some physicality on the 4th line. Thats why Glass is playing. It's really that simple. Do I wish there was a better option for that role? Hell yes. But even with that said, Im willing to sacrifice some CF% for a 12th forward that'll hit a guy in the mouth. I think theres value in that.

 

[cwede]

Mikita was Slovak.

thank you for clarifying, and genuine apologies for my error

 

[Raspewtin]

If AV were smart, he would call up Bourque and play Hrivik on one side and Bourque on the other. Let that line play about 5 games together with Moore.

that has potential to be hideous.

 

[Raspewtin]

You know whats also not very smart? Assuming any warm body is a better option. Hrivik didn't do much of anything last night and was stapled to the bench in the 3rd.

AV has made it quite clear that he wants some physicality on the 4th line. Thats why Glass is playing. It's really that simple. Do I wish there was a better option for that role? Hell yes. But even with that said, Im willing to sacrifice some CF% for a 12th forward that'll hit a guy in the mouth. I think theres value in that.

You can't sacrifice that because Moore's line is used in such a way that you have already scarified "some CF%" so another line has better opportunities to score. But with Glass on the roster, they start in the offensive zone, they take opportunities away from skilled players, they get laughed off the ice in the defensive zone. Is a few poorly timed hits from behind from Glass worth that?

 

[Levitate]

They were part of the same political entity to begin with, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. The Czech part belonged to the Austrian part of the double monarchy, the Slovak part to the Hungarian part. They were, to put it mildly, oppressed pretty badly culturally and politically by the Austrians and Hungarians. So, they strived for independence.

I actually think it was Woodrow Wilson who cooked up the idea of putting them in one and the state when the Monarchy fell apart after WWI. They were part of the Cordon Sanitaire, so Czechoslovakia's very purpose (from a French and British pov) was to stop Lenin's ideas from spreading around. The country was then called Czechoslovak Republic. It was, at least in context of history, quite a prosperous, liberal, multi-ethical state. Some historians even refer to it as the "Switzerland of the East". During WWII the Czech part was de-facto under German rule, while Slovakia was a Nazi-German puppet state. They only got under Soviet influence after WWII.

The issue was, the Czech part was more advanced, had a lot of industry that was built up in the monarchy, while the Slovak part, aside from maybe Bratislava and Kosice was rather rural prior to the communist period. Ergo the Czech part was richer. In the end they split up in 1992 because the respective political elites from both parts of the country weren't able to get along.


Anyway, that's the history lesson for today, kids .

Nice, thanks, much better than my vague recollections of something I might have read long ago

As for Hrivik, thought he looked alright for not getting much icetime. Hopefully they give him some practices and games...feels like he should get just as much of a chance as Paille did but with the trade deadline coming up I'm sure they'd prefer to settle on him or needing to trade for someone rather quickly.

As for Glass I think he's actually been playing better lately, his eye test has at least been of the "hard working guy who can't score at all ever but he doesn't look horrible" but I bet his advanced stats and that line are still crap. He's actually made some decent offensive plays but he just doesn't have the hands to be able to keep a cycle going at all