Confirmed with Link: Marcus Johansson to the Wild for Eric Staal

[Dr Jan Itor]

Keep this in mind during your performance reviews, no 'touchy-feely, feelings s##t' when you sit down with Dr Jan Itor. Dude is hard core.

I don't need to coddle millionaires.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

From everything, even from Staal, it doesn't seem like he got a head's up at all.

Why was Owen Nolan afforded more courtesy than Eric Staal?

I'm serious, not talking about GMs or anything. Just players.

Because a completely different person was in charge of offering or withholding the courtesy?

 

[TaLoN]

Because a completely different person was in charge of offering or withholding the courtesy?

Different people have different methods, treat people differently, in completely different circumstances.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Because a completely different person was in charge of offering or withholding the courtesy?

And yet it was the right call when one of them did it, but not the other?

So, we're done trying to appease every player? Does that mean we can just kick Dubnyk to the curb now? I hope so. Screw his family situation!

We should have sent Dubnyk down much, much earlier in the season when Kahkonen was playing decently along with Stalock. Worst is Kahkonen gets more time.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

And yet it was the right call when one of them did it, but not the other?

So, we're done trying to appease every player? Does that mean we can just kick Dubnyk to the curb now? I hope so. Screw his family situation!

We should have sent Dubnyk down much, much earlier in the season when Kahkonen was playing decently along with Stalock. Worst is Kahkonen gets more time.

Hopefully?

 

[Spurgeon]

As long as Staal got a heads up before it broke, nothing wrong or malicious or disrespectful occurred.

It may not have been wrong, but it was a pretty classless and unnecessary move. There’s no logical reason behind the move other than to send a message. A team that desperately needs top 6 centers doesn’t trade their only one away who initially signed a team friendly deal to avoid being traded.

The only reason I could see BG doing this is to piss Parise off enough to be willing to waive to more teams.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It may not have been wrong, but it was a pretty classless and unnecessary move. There’s no logical reason behind the move other than to send a message. A team that desperately needs top 6 centers doesn’t trade their only one away who initially signed a team friendly deal to avoid being traded.

The only reason I could see BG doing this is to piss Parise off enough to be willing to waive to more teams.

How many days in advance does Staal need for it to be "classy"?

 

[thestonedkoala]

How many days in advance does Staal need for it to be "classy"?

I think you're missing the point here and honestly a little of a straw man. There is no set days in advance, but the way it went down and the way that Staal tells it is what the problem is. The only piece missing is the exit interview, but if we pull from the statements that is being reported, it can help provide a little more info. It appears that Staal wasn't given any warning, either at the exit interview or after he submitted his trade list. He submits his trade list -> less than 24 hours later Staal is traded. Guerin apparently talks to him for around 30 seconds (probably longer, but the point being made is Guerin didn't really care). Staal is surprised by the trade.

Honestly, just giving him a few hours before announcing the trade would have been the good thing to do.

 

[TaLoN]

I think you're missing the point here and honestly a little of a straw man. There is no set days in advance, but the way it went down and the way that Staal tells it is what the problem is. The only piece missing is the exit interview, but if we pull from the statements that is being reported, it can help provide a little more info. It appears that Staal wasn't given any warning, either at the exit interview or after he submitted his trade list. He submits his trade list -> less than 24 hours later Staal is traded. Guerin apparently talks to him for around 30 seconds (probably longer, but the point being made is Guerin didn't really care). Staal is surprised by the trade.

Honestly, just giving him a few hours before announcing the trade would have been the good thing to do.

Giving him a few hours before announcing the trade? When does that ever happen? The trade leaked well before it was announced, Guerin told him before it leaked.... but once it's out there it's out there. What difference would it make to wait to confirm what's already done? Hell, then the other side is likely to announce it themselves anyway.

No such thing as waiting a few hours to announce it after informing the player.

 

[Spurgeon]

How many days in advance does Staal need for it to be "classy"?

The move itself is classless. I don’t care about when he was informed about the trade.

Sure it’s a business and he has every right to make whatever moves he feels like. However, making that move was complete bullshit, especially when you consider all of the external factors.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The move itself is classless. I don’t care about when he was informed about the trade.

Sure it’s a business and he has every right to make whatever moves he feels like. However, making that move was complete bullshit, especially when you consider all of the external factors.

It's bullshit because we don't like the return. If we did, nobody would give a shit about Staal's feelings.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Maybe it is because there are other examples to fall upon where you have a tearful GM answering questions and mentioning how hard a call it was to make yada yada.....I think I am with our resident custodian, MD. that nothing here was disrespectful, it just wasn't a warm goodbye. That doesn't make it nasty either.

 

[Spurgeon]

It's bullshit because we don't like the return. If we did, nobody would give a shit about Staal's feelings.

The return is the entire point though. There is no logical reason behind the trade, given the return. We traded our only Top 6 C for a worse LW who costs more. Can you provide any reasonable explanation why BG would make this move?

 

[Victorious Secret]

I, personally, enjoy Guerin making moves and if it takes a 'social faux pas' to make the team younger, then by all means.

 

[TaLoN]

I, personally, enjoy Guerin making moves and if it takes a 'social faux pas' to make the team younger, then by all means.

Except there wasn't a social faux pas.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Except there wasn't a social faux pas.

I agree. But some believe not letting Staal know prior to, is.

 

[TaLoN]

I agree. But some believe not letting Staal know prior to, is.

And I'll disagree with them, and not try to encourage more claims of their nature.

 

[Olcoach]

The return is the entire point though. There is no logical reason behind the trade, given the return. We traded our only Top 6 C for a worse LW who costs more. Can you provide any reasonable explanation why BG would make this move?

Youth and speed. Oops that's two.

 

[Spurgeon]

Youth and speed. Oops that's two.

Johansson is a 30 year old LW. Nothing about the team improved from this trade.

In a normal world, I wouldn’t really care much about the trade. However, in the middle of a pandemic, just let the guy play out the final year of his contract if the sole intent behind the move is to simply send a message. If the trade improved either our short or long-term goals, then it’s perfectly fine. It did neither though.

 

[thestonedkoala]

It's bullshit because we don't like the return. If we did, nobody would give a shit about Staal's feelings.

Honestly, I don't care about the return at this point, because it is what it is in terms of value (and that's an entirely different argument). If somehow got Bennett back, great. Still mad at how Guerin traded Staal. Got futures back? Still mad at how Guerin traded Staal.

To me, this board twists and bends the narrative to see how they like it. I brought up the fact that Guerin should have just dumped Dubnyk in the minors this season regardless of his family situation. He has gone on and on this season about needing better goaltending, and yet when they started seeing some life in Kahkonen and Stalock, Dubnyk comes back and suddenly, it's a huge deal to drop Dubnyk down to the minors because of a family situation? At worst Kahkonen struggles, Minnesota brings Dubnyk back up and moves Kahkonen down. Worse? Someone claims Dubnyk on waivers and we have to ride Kahkonen and Stalock until the end.

Why the sudden change from this board? What changed from two years ago to today?

 

[Waterbuf]

I can't see how this was a good move. Marcus Johansson sucks.

 

[Olcoach]

Johansson is a 30 year old LW. Nothing about the team improved from this trade.

In a normal world, I wouldn’t really care much about the trade. However, in the middle of a pandemic, just let the guy play out the final year of his contract if the sole intent behind the move is to simply send a message. If the trade improved either our short or long-term goals, then it’s perfectly fine. It did neither though.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? It is yet to be seen how the fit is. It does fit the GM's narrative of getting younger and faster.

 

[space321]

I, personally, enjoy Guerin making moves and if it takes a 'social faux pas' to make the team younger, then by all means.

You say that as if Johansson is young lol. Going from 35 -> 30 is hardly significant.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Can I borrow your crystal ball? It is yet to be seen how the fit is. It does fit the GM's narrative of getting younger and faster.

And yet, he mentions he expects big things from Rask - who skates terribly.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The return is the entire point though. There is no logical reason behind the trade, given the return. We traded our only Top 6 C for a worse LW who costs more. Can you provide any reasonable explanation why BG would make this move?

Not really, but a move can be bad without being classless.