Speculation: March 5th 3pm ET trade deadline - Chevy has a bit more room than you think ($7.1m)

[allan5oh]

Here's the hard and quick numbers via capgeek:

ROSTER|
Total players up at the big club | 25
Active roster players | 21
Injured players (short term)| 3 (Kane, Slater, Halischuk)
Injured players out for year | 1 (Clitsome)

SALARY CAP | AAV
Today's Space(AAV we can take on right now)| $3,184,172
Deadline space (AAV we can take on at the deadline)| $5,062,018
Max potential LTIR room | $2,066,667
Deadline AAV + max LTIR | $7,128,685

If we spend that 5.062m we could put Clitsome on LTIR and pick up another 2.066m in salary. See Capgeek for a good explanation on how LTIR works and why you need to be right up against the cap.

Rental trade bait| Remaining term
Olli Jokinen| $4.5 Modified NTC
Devin Setoguchi| $3.0
Mark Stuart| $1.7
Chris Thorburn| 866k
Zach Redmond| 715k #
Al Montoya| 601k
Adam Pardy| 600k

# Redmond is extremely valuable because he has a 2-way contract and doesn't need waivers

Possible non-rental trade bait| Remaining term
Dustin Byfuglien | 3 X 5.2 5 team NTC
Evander Kane | 5 x 5.25

Needs short term:

- Top 4 LHD
- 3rd line wingers that can slide into the top 6

Needs long term:

- Top 4 LHD
- Starting goaltender
- Young 3rd liners with top 6 potential

The question remains, are we going to buy, sell or stand pat at the deadline?

The case for selling:

We are fighting for the last playoff spot with 5 other teams, have the second least points and the most GP. There's only 3 games remaining between now and the deadline. Chevy has essentially stood pat the last two seasons, I think he's sick of doing that. We have an awful lot of assets that could be sold off, and probably half of the players above will be gone in the summer anyways. Personally I wouldn't mind retaining Stuart (at a cheaper price on the bottom pair), Redmond and Montoya. Jokinen could possibly fetch a high 1st especially with salary retained, he's hovering around 50th in center points.

With Kane, Halischuk, and Slater coming back we can fill holes where we move players. O'Dell and Redmond can be called up. Postma looked decent in his game back and can also fill in. Selling may not affect our playoff chances much.

The case for buying:

We have momentum on our side, the coaching change has done wonders to this team. Out of our only 3 losses two were 1 goal games (one in OT) and only 1 was more than 1 goal. This team has the best roster since moving to Winnipeg, and the emergence of Scheifele and Trouba has done wonders. Montoya has shown to be a very capable backup and is having a career year. The team and fanbase is hungry for the playoffs. If we make the playoffs, there's a good chance we'll end up keeping the better UFAs.

We also have just above $5 million in banked space (more with LTIR options) at the deadline, we could potentially buy a player or two for cheap since nobody has cap space. Hopefully these players are not rentals.

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[broinwhyteridge]

Chevy didn't see his shadow last week and went back to sleep for another couple of months.

 

[truck]

I think Gooch might be moved, but wouldn't bet on anything else happening.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

What is the date of the trade deadline?

 

[ps241]

great post allan5oh!!!

I agree with what you are saying and I would like to be a seller at the deadline with Seto and Olli for draft picks or prospects (only if there is value though). I honestly think we would be fine filling in without them. The waters will get a little muddier if we go 3-0 before the deadline but think of the return we got for Johnny O.

On the flip side I would not mind grabbing a rental player for the playoff run if it didn't cost us assets (cap dump for a team trying to be big buyers at the deadline and needing to make room).

 

[Basalt13]

Pavelec & our 1st rounder for Schneider, we get our #1 goalie we need, and dump Pavelec, NJ gets a first rounder back, and Brodeur gets to stay #1 lol.

 

[allan5oh]

What is the date of the trade deadline?

3pm ET March 5th I believe

 

[wpglax]

What is the date of the trade deadline?

March 5th

 

[truck]

@ps241

When did Patrice Bergeron start working for Petro Canada?

 

[YWGinYYZ]

@ps241

When did Patrice Bergeron start working for Petro Canada?

When team Canada decided that logo and jersey were a good idea. To be fair: anything with a white leaf on red is going to be difficult to discern from the Petrol Can logo.

 

[Huffer]

Until there is actual reason to think so from mgmt, why are we even entertaining the notion that Kane is remotely available?

The last thing I heard from a reliable source was McKenzie who said that Chevy is NOT shopping Kane, but is getting a lot of calls.

We can say the old, anyone is available for the right price idea, but then we have to put everyone in that category.

As for the question, "are we going to buy, sell or stand pat at the deadline?", I believe the correct answer is to be a buyer and seller. Sell off older UFA's like Seto and Olli, and try to buy younger players who are not able to crack their current NHL rosters but playing well in the AHL.

 

[truck]

Until there is actual reason to think so from mgmt, why are we even entertaining the notion that Kane is remotely available?

The last thing I heard from a reliable source was McKenzie who said that Chevy is NOT shopping Kane, but is getting a lot of calls.

We can say the old, anyone is available for the right price idea, but then we have to put everyone in that category.

As for the question, "are we going to buy, sell or stand pat at the deadline?", I believe the correct answer is to be a buyer and seller. Sell off older UFA's like Seto and Olli, and try to buy younger players who are not able to crack their current NHL rosters but playing well in the AHL.

Agreed.

 

[allan5oh]

Until there is actual reason to think so from mgmt, why are we even entertaining the notion that Kane is remotely available?

The last thing I heard from a reliable source was McKenzie who said that Chevy is NOT shopping Kane, but is getting a lot of calls.

We can say the old, anyone is available for the right price idea, but then we have to put everyone in that category.

I can agree with this, which is why I used the word "possible". Kane is the one player we'd get a pretty big overpayment for, and might set us up for the future. I don't see that happening with any other player except Scheifele and Trouba, and they're not available

As for the question, "are we going to buy, sell or stand pat at the deadline?", I believe the correct answer is to be a buyer and seller. Sell off older UFA's like Seto and Olli, and try to buy younger players who are not able to crack their current NHL rosters but playing well in the AHL.

Re-tooling. Should've talked about that as well. Everything isn't so black and white. The other thing is if we sell 3-4 UFAs strictly for draft picks, doesn't mean we need to sit on them. They're like money.

 

[allan5oh]

Clarified LTIR a bit, we can in fact add a bit more than 7.1 in AAV at the deadline.

 

[allan5oh]

Here's a good explanation from capgeek:

The upper limit is $70.0M. A team has a cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary of $69.0M on the day a player with a $4.0M cap hit is placed on LTIR. The team is now eligible to spend up to a new upper limit of $73.0M ($69.0M + $4.0M).

However, had the team recalled a player with a $750K cap hit prior to the LTIR designation, increasing its cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary to $69.75M, it would have been eligible to spend up to a new upper limit of $73.75M ($69.75M + $4.0M).

Likewise, had the team recalled two players each with $500K cap hits prior to making the LTIR designation, increasing its cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary to exactly $70.0M, it would have been eligible to spend to a new upper limit of $74.0M ($70.0M + $4.0M).

In the above example — where the team maximized their cap space with the $1.0M recall to get a new upper limit of $74.0M — the team could demote the two $500K players the day after the LTIR designation is made, reduce their cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary to $69.0M, and have the ability to add a cap hit via trade of exactly $5.0M.

http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-does-long-term-injured-reserve-LTIR-work

 

[Bristo]

So if you're a buyer, you bring up everybody that's on a 2-way contract, and then send them back down to make room for the new incoming player?

 

[allan5oh]

So if you're a buyer, you bring up everybody that's on a 2-way contract, and then send them back down to make room for the new incoming player?

Are you talking about LTIR?

 

[Flair Hay]

Lets trade Gooch for sure for whatever, junk included. Give O'Dell a shot on 3rd line.

And Olli. If anyone thinks he's worth a 2nd that is...otherwise we may as well keep him and hope he helps down the stretch.

 

[allan5oh]

Lets trade Gooch for sure for whatever, junk included. Give O'Dell a shot on 3rd line.

Agreed I don't see him coming back.

And Olli. If anyone thinks he's worth a 2nd that is...otherwise we may as well keep him and hope he helps down the stretch.

Take a look at this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLCACALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=2

I think he's worth more than people realize. He's above .5 PPG on the third line playing mostly with scrubs.

 

[garret9]

Kane-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ladd-Little-Frolik
Burmistrov-?-?
Tangradi-O`Dell-Wright
Slater

Enstrom-Bogosian
?-Trouba
Clitsome-Postma
Ellerby-Redmond

?
Montoya


Let's get all in for next season... oh yaaaaa

 

[Bristo]

Are you talking about LTIR?

Right, say Redmond gets injured while he's here. Can you put him on LTIR and then send him back down? LOL

 

[garret9]

Agreed I don't see him coming back.



Take a look at this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLCACALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=2

I think he's worth more than people realize. He's above .5 PPG on the third line playing mostly with scrubs.

Not really... very very few of his points come from scrubs.

Jokinen is technically just a powerplay/4v4 specialist. His 5v5 scoring is low end for top9 players (he's about the same as Thor per min right now) and his 2way play / puck possession is not good enough to make it for us.

I don't think Jets should keep him unless we don't have better options. I don't think we need him as a PP specialist.

 

[allan5oh]

http://www.capgeek.com/jets/armchair-gm/?year_id=2013

They really improved the armchair GM. I picked up Ryan O'Reilly, then placed Clitsome on LTIR, then picked up Niskanen at 10% retained. Essential to do it in that order.

 

[allan5oh]

Not really... very very few of his points come from scrubs.

Jokinen is technically just a powerplay/4v4 specialist. His 5v5 scoring is low end for top9 players (he's about the same as Thor per min right now) and his 2way play / puck possession is not good enough to make it for us.

I don't think Jets should keep him unless we don't have better options. I don't think we need him as a PP specialist.

That's kind of my point, if he was playing with better players would his 5v5 not improve? He's played a lot with Kane, Setoguchi, and Buff who aren't exactly known for being playmakers.

 

[phamJET]

I hope chevy makes a splash and trades buff for Vanek. Buffalo could have two really big defensemen as their core.