Marc Methot II: Wheel of Fortune Edition

[Backpass]

If he signs for 5 years and keep missing 20-25 + games each year because of back problems, would you complain about it then?

Of course it's unknown how his health will be in the future but being a physical D sure doesn't help his back.

Unfortunately there are lots of "if" in this business.

What if Lenher doesn't work out as a number one goalie in 2 -3 years?
What if any of our top players gets like Karlsson gets injured and can't play the whole year?

We can't live of suppositions, we have the assess the way he's performing now and evaluate the risk in signing him to a long term deal knowing what is presently known.

 

[Proust*]

Karlsson
Cowen
Ceci
Borowiecki
Gryba
Phillips
Wiercioch

Ladies and gentlemen, the worst defense in the league.

 

[Lehner]

If the team did offer him a 5 year deal like this 9/9/3/3/1 if Mark would go for that he gets the money and term its just big time front loaded.

You cant offer deals like that anymore, with the new CBA,

Contract Variability

For multi-year SPCs that are “Front-Loaded Contracts,” i.e., where the average of the Player Salary
and Bonuses in the first one-half of the contract is greater than the AA over the full term of the SPC:
a) Year-to-year variability in compensation (each year’s Salary and Bonuses) will be limited to
35% of the compensation (Salary and Bonuses) in the first year of the SPC. For example,
if a Player earns $10 million in compensation (Salary and Bonuses) in Year 1 of his SPC,
his compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot increase or decrease by more than $3.5
million in any subsequent year of the SPC.
b) The lowest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot be less than 50% of the
highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of the SPC. For example, if in the
highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of a Player’s SPC, he earns $10 million
in total compensation (Salary and Bonuses), he may never earn less than $5 million in any
single year during the term of his SPC.
For all other multi-year SPCs (i.e., not Front-Loaded Contracts as defined above), the 100% Rule
shall apply.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CB...ummary_of_Terms_FINAL_-_Jan._12,_2013 (1).pdf

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Maybe but I would still take the risk. Our D is atrocious without Methot and if we let him go it's just another big step backwards in becoming a playoff team.

Melnyks promise of a hockey Mecca isn't looking too good with a Methotless D corps. Hopefully we have a backup plan.

Melnyk's hockey Mecca quote = Burke's Pugnacity quote

I'm pretty firmly in the keep Methot pool, but I guess I hadn't fully appreciated how injury prone he has been, not only this season.

Year|Played|Missed|%Missed
2008-09|66|16|20%
2009-10|60|22|27%
2010-11|74|8|10%
2011-12|46|36|44%
2012-13|47|1|2%
2013-14|75|7|9%
2014-15|45|37|45%
Total|413|127|24%

 

[Micklebot]

Karlsson
Cowen
Ceci
Borowiecki
Gryba
Phillips
Wiercioch

Ladies and gentlemen, the worst defense in the league.

Idk, also pretty terrible are:

Phaneuf
Franson
Gardiner
Rielly
Robidas
Polak
Holzer

And,

Erik Johnson
Tyson Barrie
Brad Stuart
Jan Hejda
Nate Guenin
Zach Redmond
Nick Holden

I'd add that Bufallo's group is terrible but has decent promise, and Carolina's group will be all sorts of terrible when Sekera is moved.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

If I was Murray, and Methot wasn't going to sign this offer, I'd tell methot we're going to trade him, but get an idea of where he'd prefer and try and try to make it work. Then tell him that if he makes it to UFA, he should let us what the offer he's getting and we'll put something we feel is fair and competitive together, and he can make his choice. Not sure if that's tampering, but that would be ideal.

That's what Statsny did with Colorado

It's basically Right of Refusal

 

[guyzeur]

Unfortunately there are lots of "if" in this business.

What if Lenher doesn't work out as a number one goalie in 2 -3 years?
What if any of our top players gets like Karlsson gets injured and can't play the whole year?

We can't live of suppositions, we have the assess the way he's performing now and evaluate the risk in signing him to a long term deal knowing what is presently known.

I was responding to Peter, of course everything as to be measured and analyzed.

But in this case, this isn't suppositions, he has a bad back. His bad back won't go away, it never does.

Melnyk's hockey Mecca quote = Burke's Pugnacity quote

I'm pretty firmly in the keep Methot pool, but I guess I hadn't fully appreciated how injury prone he has been, not only this season.

Year|Played|Missed|%Missed
2008-09|66|16|20%
2009-10|60|22|27%
2010-11|74|8|10%
2011-12|46|36|44%
2012-13|47|1|2%
2013-14|75|7|9%
2014-15|45|37|45%
Total|413|127|24%

I was guessing at Methot missing 20-25% games in the future. I didn't know it was this bad for him.

 

[Micklebot]

Melnyk's hockey Mecca quote = Burke's Pugnacity quote

I'm pretty firmly in the keep Methot pool, but I guess I hadn't fully appreciated how injury prone he has been, not only this season.

Year|Played|Missed|%Missed
2008-09|66|16|20%
2009-10|60|22|27%
2010-11|74|8|10%
2011-12|46|36|44%
2012-13|47|1|2%
2013-14|75|7|9%
2014-15|45|37|45%
Total|413|127|24%

Here's his injury report:
01/08/2015 Missed 2 games (back injury).
01/03/2015 Missed 10 games (back injury).
12/04/2014 Missed 24 games (back injury).
12/18/2013 Missed 4 games (flu).
12/03/2013 Missed 1 game (flu).
3/23/2013 Missed 1 game (knee injury).
04/07/2012 Missed the last 28 regular season games (broken jaw).
02/03/2012 Missed 2 games (illness).
11/03/2011 Missed 5 games (thumb injury).
10/21/2011 Missed 1 game (lower body injury).
3/17/2011 Missed 1 game (lower body injury).
2/22/2011 Missed 1 game (undisclosed).
12/04/2010 Missed 5 games (upper body injury).
1/28/2010 Missed 3 games (illness).
1/18/2010 Missed 12 games (upper body injury).
12/05/2009 Missed 2 games (upper body injury).
3/18/2009 Missed 2 games (upper body injury).
2/13/2009 Missed 3 games (flu).
11/14/2008 Missed 1 game (knee injury).

13 games to illness/Flu, and a broken jaw eat up a lot of it. Also, in 2008 at least, part of his missed games were healthy scratches (8 I believe).

Nothing looks chronic (except maybe the back this year). Upper/Lower body injuries to worry me though, because you never know, maybe they are back injuries too.

 

[Proust*]

Idk, also pretty terrible are:

Phaneuf
Franson
Gardiner
Rielly
Robidas
Polak
Holzer

And,

Erik Johnson
Tyson Barrie
Brad Stuart
Jan Hejda
Nate Guenin
Zach Redmond
Nick Holden

I'd add that Bufallo's group is terrible but has decent promise, and Carolina's group will be all sorts of terrible when Sekera is moved.

Toronto, Buffalo, Carolina, Colorado.

Yup, that will be our company without Methot. Bottom 5!

The only move that makes sense is trading Methot for a good young defenseman or defensive prospect. Not a "maybe" player, but a "very likely" player. The trade would have to happen with a team that wants to win now.

 

[fringie]

Karlsson
Cowen
Ceci
Borowiecki
Gryba
Phillips
Wiercioch

Ladies and gentlemen, the worst defense in the league.

You are so right, and if Karlsson is hurt, it is AHL level, the team is straight to lottery pick.

 

[Super Cake]

Idk, also pretty terrible are:

Phaneuf
Franson
Gardiner
Rielly
Robidas
Polak
Holzer

And,

Erik Johnson
Tyson Barrie
Brad Stuart
Jan Hejda
Nate Guenin
Zach Redmond
Nick Holden

I'd add that Bufallo's group is terrible but has decent promise, and Carolina's group will be all sorts of terrible when Sekera is moved.

The Stars defense is kind of **** as well.

 

[fringie]

It is insane that the management is so hung up on not paying Methot, if the defense is performing well, that is another story, but we have watched enough games this year to know this defense is really bad. I mean aside from Karl, Methot, Ceci, it is safe to no one else is regular NHL D-man on a playoff team (they would be in an out of line-up as 6-7 guy). Yet, we got one of the biggest D-core in the entire league, the whole philosophy of D-men got to have size, and toughness, is so out of date. That is late 90s early 2000s mentality. Today the best D-core can skate and pass the puck, great hockey sense.

We need Methot more than he needs Sens, plain and simple.

 

[jason2020]

It is insane that the management is so hung up on not paying Methot, if the defense is performing well, that is another story, but we have watched enough games this year to know this defense is really bad. I mean aside from Karl, Methot, Ceci, it is safe to no one else is regular NHL D-man on a playoff team (they would be in an out of line-up as 6-7 guy). Yet, we got one of the biggest D-core in the entire league, the whole philosophy of D-men got to have size, and toughness, is so out of date. That is late 90s early 2000s mentality. Today the best D-core can skate and pass the puck, great hockey sense.

We need Methot more than he needs Sens, plain and simple.

I think the concern is his back and if you go by the reports its not the money but its the term.

 

[Proust*]

The problem is that management decided Cowen and Ceci were top 4 NHL defenseman the minute after they were drafted. Can they successfully play sustained minutes at that level right now? Irrelevant.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Here's his injury report:
....
13 games to illness/Flu, and a broken jaw eat up a lot of it. Also, in 2008 at least, part of his missed games were healthy scratches (8 I believe).

Nothing looks chronic (except maybe the back this year). Upper/Lower body injuries to worry me though, because you never know, maybe they are back injuries too.

Sure - maybe these can all be explained away, but its also a bit naive to expect them to just go away. It looks pretty consistent that he will miss ~10-15 games a year for whatever reason, and these things usually get worse with age not better.

His list is pretty similar to Volchenkov probably. Not always the same chronic injury but he tended to miss a fair number of games every year because he played like a warrior.

Again I'm pro signing Methot and hopes it happens but you can see why long term is a bit scary with this guy

 

[Larionov]

Methot's camp has leverage, and they are going to use it. No surprise there - we would all do the same thing if we were in their shoes. They have a number they want to hit, and they know that if the Senators don't meet it, someone else will. That number will be a 5x5 kind of deal. If you were to try to replace Methot in free agency, it would cost you at least that, maybe more. Staal's contract basically set the market on this one...

 

[jason2020]

Methot's camp has leverage, and they are going to use it. No surprise there - we would all do the same thing if we were in their shoes. They have a number they want to hit, and they know that if the Senators don't meet it, someone else will. That number will be a 5x5 kind of deal. If you were to try to replace Methot in free agency, it would cost you at least that, maybe more. Staal's contract basically set the market on this one...

The issue is will they get the 5 years on the open market I am not sure if they would.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

The issue is will they get the 5 years on the open market I am not sure if they would.

Oh he will. Methot would be the best UFA defenseman on the market as far as Im aware.

 

[jason2020]

Oh he will. Methot would be the best UFA defenseman on the market as far as Im aware.

Teams are scared of long term contracts as it is now then you had a player who has had back issues that make the deal even more risky.

 

[The Lewler]

Oh he will. Methot would be the best UFA defenseman on the market as far as Im aware.

You've probably got Mike Green floating around out there.. but yeah, Methot will be a relatively big fish in a small pool.

 

[Benjamin]

Teams are scared of long term contracts as it is now then you had a player who has had back issues that make the deal even more risky.

Long term contracts are standard.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Oh he will. Methot would be the best UFA defenseman on the market as far as Im aware.

I'm not sure why he'd be better than Sekera honestly

I think they are pretty even and Sekera doesn't have back problems

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The issue is will they get the 5 years on the open market I am not sure if they would.

The highest bidder definitely would.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I'm not sure why he'd be better than Sekera honestly

I think they are pretty even and Sekera doesn't have back problems

Aw forgot that Sekera was a UFA. Either way they're both up there and teams throw money at good defensemen in the summer like there is no tomorrow.

If Orpik could get paid, both those guys will too.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Too bad it's inconceivable to think this franchise could sign BOTH Methot and Sekera...