Marc Bergevin: Real Madrid ne font pas les séries ou va pas au Mondial Edition

[MaxDummy]

well they do if the picks turn out to be good, my point is there is no way to look at that trade as a bad trade

It's a good trade, but it ends there. Won't change a franchise with moves like that.

 

[beanmachine]

lol ya poor choice of words

 

[McGuires Corndog]

If it was only one season, I’d be inclined to agree maybe it’s just bad luck or there is more than meets the eye.

Bergevin has been a failure right from the get go, Michel Therrien hiring is the first sign, the Subban Bridge being the second sign, the Desharnais extension. There was lots of warning signs that this guy was in over his head.

I truly believe he got lucky on several transactions, Vanek being one of them. Snow came circling back at the last second to Bergevin’s low ball offer (this is a fact) because something else fell through.

He’s gotten lucky on a couple other trades, like the Weise & Danault trades.

He’s in Mike Milbury territory. He’s THAT bad. There is no stroke of genius behind the scenes. He’s a complete f***ing moron.

 

[Cobra Commander]

The "Plan" was to make himself and his yes men very rich.

He doesn't understand how a modern team should be built.

 

[ahmedou]

Open my eyes yeah, it was only just a dream (Sike)
I realize yeah, it was only just a dream (Sike)

 

[Koivu11]

the Subban Bridge being the second sign

We could have PK signed at around 6M/yr right now. Imagine.

Too bad he had to learn to be a better person to convince MB to sign him to a long term deal.

No rispek.

 

[beanmachine]

If it was only one season, I’d be inclined to agree maybe it’s just bad luck or there is more than meets the eye.

Bergevin has been a failure right from the get go, Michel Therrien hiring is the first sign, the Subban Bridge being the second sign, the Desharnais extension. There was lots of warning signs that this guy was in over his head.

I truly believe he got lucky on several transactions, Vanek being one of them. Snow came circling back at the last second to Bergevin’s low ball offer (this is a fact) because something else fell through.

He’s gotten lucky on a couple other trades, like the Weise & Danault trades.

He’s in Mike Milbury territory. He’s THAT bad. There is no stroke of genius behind the scenes. He’s a complete ****ing moron.

ya your probably right but i think the therrien hiring had alot to do with the fact montreal cant hire someone who doesnt speak french which I dispise, one day I hope the canadiens realize that winnings more important than politics

 

[MaxDummy]

We could have PK signed at around 6M/yr right now. Imagine.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

ya your probably right but i think the therrien hiring had alot to do with the fact montreal cant hire someone who cant speak french which I cant stand, one day I hope the canadiens realize that winnings more important than politics

There was better options. Anything would have been better.

People seem to have forgotten that Therrien had been out of the league for 3+years and was a commentator on l’Antichambre who routinely and openly admitted dislike of the team’s best skater (Subban).

They could have taken any Franco coach out of the Q and it would’ve worked out better.

Therrien was an awful coach, and an even more awful human being.

 

[Genesis76]

Now i know nobody will ever take me seriously again for this lol but, could it be possible that there trully is more to the story behind all of marc bergevins stupid decisions?

Lets start with the subban trade, you could be the dumbest person on the face of the earth (many think MB already is lol) and you could see how bad of a decision trading subban would be, alot of reports came out at the time with the potential issues in the locker room and such maybe they were true? i dont know.

Now i know letting markov go was stupid BUT he was getting up there and the guy had to retire eventually it was going to happen regardless i dont like how the situation was handled but we will never know what actually went down between the 2

The whole radulov situation still gives me nightmares he was my favourite player that year and i still love the guy, and its true berg tried to match the offer dallas gave him but would it of made a difference anyways? The tax situation in montreal is brutal a matched offer wouldnt have actually been a matched offer it would have had to be for much more and maybe it would have ended up biting us

The drouin trade now that one is hard to defend, but it is still very early and that trade could still potentially go eather way, yes we need the defensemen waaaay more but player vs player at this time do not know who will be better.

I do not beleive bergevin is a good GM all i want to know is, could it be possible there is more behind the scenes that meet the eye? I want to beleive that no one could be as stupid as marc has been these past 2 years but i am most definetly probably wrong

Yeah could be a sabotage campaign from the videotron group. Maybe they were pissed they dint get a team?

Totally possible.

 

[1909]

Subban in Nashville ain't the same Subban that he was in Montreal. He is not the kingpin anymore on the (excellent) blueline. He is playing a safe, better game overall. And, the Preds did not put any letter on his jersey, giving him way less pressure.

In Montreal he was trying so hard to give a show, on the ice and off the ice too. He was probably too turbulant for a great portion of his teamates.

His own personal brand was becoming bigger than the CH brand...

I don't blame him. These were not valuable reasons to trade him, especially for a guy 4 years older than him, and without demanding a couple of good draft picks on top of Weber.

I don't undersatnd why Mr.Molson did not vetoe that trade.

 

[cactusjack]

Now i know nobody will ever take me seriously again for this lol but, could it be possible that there trully is more to the story behind all of marc bergevins stupid decisions?

Lets start with the subban trade, you could be the dumbest person on the face of the earth (many think MB already is lol) and you could see how bad of a decision trading subban would be, alot of reports came out at the time with the potential issues in the locker room and such maybe they were true? i dont know.

As far as the locker room goes, it looks like it haven't been resolved yet. Trading PK and Eller, 2 playoffs guys for Weber and Shaw (different trade but it's a center for a winger) was not a good decision.

Now i know letting markov go was stupid BUT he was getting up there and the guy had to retire eventually it was going to happen regardless i dont like how the situation was handled but we will never know what actually went down between the 2

He was going to retire within 2 years, one more reason to keep Sergatchev just in case Markov decide play somewhere else.

The whole radulov situation still gives me nightmares he was my favourite player that year and i still love the guy, and its true berg tried to match the offer dallas gave him but would it of made a difference anyways? The tax situation in montreal is brutal a matched offer wouldnt have actually been a matched offer it would have had to be for much more and maybe it would have ended up biting us

If you don't want to sign Radulov for 5-6 years at 7M, it's fine. But be honest about it, and call it a transition year and say you are gonna go hard on UFA market the next year for a center.

The drouin trade now that one is hard to defend, but it is still very early and that trade could still potentially go eather way, yes we need the defensemen waaaay more but player vs player at this time do not know who will be better.

Trading your only assets for a winger when you need centers since 20 years is kind of insane. Evenmore so when the guy is on ELC.

I do not believe bergevin is a good GM all i want to know is, could it be possible there is more behind the scenes that meet the eye? I want to beleive that no one could be as stupid as marc has been these past 2 years but i am most definetly probably wrong

Other things you haven't mentionned.
1) Alzner for 5 years
2) Better contract offered to Lucic than Edmonton offered. Better/Same contract offered to Bonino than Nashville offered.
3) Not signing MArkov/trading Beaulieu/offering Emelin in the expension draft. That's your 3 LHD from prior year.
4)Proctecting Benn at expension draft.
5) Price contract. Not sure he could have done better. Goalies don't have high trade values and not signing him with aging Weber/Pac would have been suicidal.
6) Knowing since training camp that there was an attitude problem in the locker room and not doing anything about it. No veteran was an healty scratch, no trade during the season etc.

This is a lot for one GM. Enough to get someone fired. And it's not that he's done some very good moves to compensate from his terribad ones.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Subban in Nashville ain't the same Subban that he was in Montreal. He is not the kingpin anymore on the (excellent) blueline. He is playing a safe, better game overall. And, the Preds did not put any letter on his jersey, giving him way less pressure.

In Montreal he was trying so hard to give a show, on the ice and off the ice too. He was probably too turbulant for a great portion of his teamates.

His own personal brand was becoming bigger than the CH brand...

I don't blame him. These were not valuable reasons to trade him, especially for a guy 4 years older than him, and without demanding a couple of good draft picks on top of Weber.

I don't undersatnd why Mr.Molson did not vetoe that trade.

It’s not hard when you see what this brand has become.

I’d trade the entire team for PK Subban.

 

[Clearedwaivers]

When you take a stupid person who believes they're the smartest person in any room, and add Connor McGregor level arrogance, purple pants, and Trump-like thin skin, you get Marc Bergevin, in all his delusional incompetent glory.

 

[beanmachine]

Other things you haven't mentionned.
1) Alzner for 5 years
2) Better contract offered to Lucic than Edmonton offered. Better/Same contract offered to Bonino than Nashville offered.
3) Not signing MArkov/trading Beaulieu/offering Emelin in the expension draft. That's your 3 LHD from prior year.
4)Proctecting Benn at expension draft.
5) Price contract. Not sure he could have done better. Goalies don't have high trade values and not signing him with aging Weber/Pac would have been suicidal.
6) Knowing since training camp that there was an attitude problem in the locker room and not doing anything about it. No veteran was an healty scratch, no trade during the season etc.

This is a lot for one GM. Enough to get someone fired. And it's not that he's done some very good moves to compensate from his terribad ones.

ya the alzner signing is brutal, he was listed as the top available defensmen that off season, but thats the time of year when teams can make some huge mistakes look at the leafs getting clarkson so ya bone headed move but at the time i really sisnt know what to expect you make some good points save for the price contract, it is way to much for a goalie but teams have to get their stars signed even if it screws them over look at kane and toews the hawks had to trade alot of great players because of how much those two make and now they stink, id actually be for a price trade before his nmc or ntc what ever he has kicks in with our deep pool of up and coming goalies, but with how bad the subban trade was i dont believe berg will have the balls to even attempt a price trade

 

[Cobra Commander]

We could have PK signed at around 6M/yr right now. Imagine.

Too bad he had to learn to be a better person to convince MB to sign him to a long term deal.

No rispek.

Subban would have signed 6.5 X 8 years at the time, same amount as Karlsson. Wasn't a good enough attitude at the time. Then after the low ball bridge PK told MB: "f*** you pay me"

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Subban would have signed 6.5 X 8 years at the time, same amount as Karlsson. Wasn't a good enough attitude at the time. Then after the low ball bridge PK told MB: "f*** you pay me"

Michel hadn't had time yet to make him a better person, hence bridge deal

 

[Cobra Commander]

Michel hadn't had time yet to make him a better person, hence bridge deal

He wasn't a good person because his name should have been:

Philippe Karl Sylvain

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He wasn't a good person because his name should have been:

Philippe Karl Sylvain

With that name, he would've been turned into a #1 center

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I'm starting to believe Molson is pulling the strings a bit. The decisions are MB but the leadership and direction seems suspect.

Molson chimed in during press conference as if he was defending himself and his own brand rather than his GM.

MB is still responsible but I'm starting to think Molson is involved in hockey ops in the wrong way.

 

[JianYang]

I dont think MB has it any different than guys like Gainey, or Gautheir did.

There might be some questions about Ron Corey, but after he left, I have not seen any indication to think the GM is not in reasonable control.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I'm starting to believe Molson is pulling the strings a bit. The decisions are MB but the leadership and direction seems suspect.

Molson chimed in during press conference as if he was defending himself and his own brand rather than his GM.

MB is still responsible but I'm starting to think Molson is involved in hockey ops in the wrong way.

These idiots are too scared and cheap to buy out MBs contract, that is the ONLY reason he is sticking around. I never thought a bunch of billionaires could be so stupid, they will lose much more by keeping MB in the long run.

 

[yianik]

Only problem with crashing this summer is that Geoff has left a ton of top 100 picks plus a high first rounder in the hands of an idiot.

You go into a Casino and see a neighbor playing roulette. Average guy. He hits a number on a big bet. Up $50000. He doubles down on red to your horror. He hits again. He doubles down again and your thinking hes lost his mind. You dont know average guy had a loan called and he owes $200000 and it is pay by tomorrow or he loses everything. Anything under $200000 is worthless to him.

MB is that guy and Molson has set it up that way.

Molson asked some time ago about rebuilding and Leafs. He said ours is a different fan base.

Playoff money lost, no ticket price increase. Likely close to about $10 M in revenue lost from those 2 things.

Molson recently asked about the plan for next season and he was non committal.

Molson wants post season next season. MBs job depends on post season next season.

MBs moves will be made with a priority for next season. Helping for the future will be pure coincidence and optics only.

Rumour was MB asked for Trocheck from Florida for Patches. Did he ask for Borgstrom ? No chance we get Trocheck.

I think all our picks are on the table, including if we win Dahlin. We have a no.1 D. If we win the 1st OA it gets offered to Columbus for PLD. I think Columbus says no , however. Then I think we likely keep Dahlin because optics wont support a trade for somebody else , and we do need a no.2 D.

Outside of the 1st overall I believe our 1st pick gets offered up for a C , be it ROR or whomever.

Except for Price and Weber,everything and everybody is on the table. Though I think Shaw and Gallagher have values assigned to them by MB that are likely unrealistically high.

If we are lucky we get Dahlin and keep him, and then Tavares as a UFA. Then we are okay. I know, sounds obvious and funny because of that. These pick ups help short and long term. Otherwise everything will be geared to Molsons play off money and MBs job, which hinge on this season. I am being sincere and think without hysteria, when I say this off season could be a complete disaster.

MB should be let go and a new GM hired with a new 5 year mandate.

EDIT: To clarify , I am NOT advocating trading Dahlin, but I believe MB would for PLD.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'm starting to believe Molson is pulling the strings a bit. The decisions are MB but the leadership and direction seems suspect.

Molson chimed in during press conference as if he was defending himself and his own brand rather than his GM.

MB is still responsible but I'm starting to think Molson is involved in hockey ops in the wrong way.

He's probably also getting heat from his partners. By keeping Bergevin, he's making sure his presidency will inevitably implode.

Then we will see change.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You go into a Casino and see a neighbor playing roulette. Average guy. He hits a number on a big bet. Up $50000. He doubles down on red to your horror. He hits again. He doubles down again and your thinking hes lost his mind. You dont know average guy had a loan called and he owes $200000 and it is pay by tomorrow or he loses everything. Anything under $200000 is worthless to him.

MB is that guy and Molson has set it up that way.

Molson asked some time ago about rebuilding and Leafs. He said ours is a different fan base.

Playoff money lost, no ticket price increase. Likely close to about $10 M in revenue lost from those 2 things.

Molson recently asked about the plan for next season and he was non committal.

Molson wants post season next season. MBs job depends on post season next season.

MBs moves will be made with a priority for next season. Helping for the future will be pure coincidence and optics only.

Rumour was MB asked for Trocheck from Florida for Patches. Did he ask for Borgstrom ? No chance we get Trocheck.

I think all our picks are on the table, including if we win Dahlin. We have a no.1 D. If we win the 1st OA it gets offered to Columbus for PLD. I think Columbus says no , however. Then I think we likely keep Dahlin because optics wont support a trade for somebody else , and we do need a no.2 D.

Outside of the 1st overall I believe our 1st pick gets offered up for a C , be it ROR or whomever.

Except for Price and Weber,everything and everybody is on the table. Though I think Shaw and Gallagher have values assigned to them by MB that are likely unrealistically high.

If we are lucky we get Dahlin and keep him, and then Tavares as a UFA. Then we are okay. I know, sounds obvious and funny because of that. These pick ups help short and long term. Otherwise everything will be geared to Molsons play off money and MBs job, which hinge on this season. I am being sincere and think without hysteria, when I say this off season could be a complete disaster.

MB should be let go and a new GM hired with a new 5 year mandate.

If we get #1 OV no ****in way in hell would I trade Dahlin for PLD. Columbus would be crazy to pass that up.

Ffs man.