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You defended lolzner until the day he cleared waivers.
Gauthier’s worst move was probably still better than MB’s top5 worst. PG was a far superior GM.
Good one. You made me laugh today
You defended lolzner until the day he cleared waivers.
Gauthier’s worst move was probably still better than MB’s top5 worst. PG was a far superior GM.
Houle and Gauthier should not be in the same sentence as Gainey or Bergevin.
Bergevin's biggest bone head move is signing Alzner and not willing to overpay by $1M AAV to keep Radulov. Gainey's bone head move is trading for Gomez which is one of the worse trades in our franchise history. Bergevin is guilty of trading Subban who was a popular player for Weber and getting 4 years older. After 3 seasons, this trade is still close value for both teams. Time will tell if this gets one sided but for now, it's not a bad trade.
Also to everyone protecting Bergevin and saying he is amassing great prospects bla bla. Bottom line is the Habs missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons and it is very easy to fall into the complacency zone of missing the playoffs. Ask Buffalo or Edmonton how great it is to amass prospects and continually miss the playoffs.
i still don't quite get this obsession with comparing "worst moves" as the evaluation tool... makes no sense. A GM's job is a complex interplay of trades, UFA signings, drafting, extensions, coaching & hockey personnel decisions, public/media relations, budget management et.
Pointing to any one or two moves and using that as the measuring stick is both silly and useless. On the whole, it's a matter of how they manage the organizations hockey assets.
Gainey, for all his mistakes, did a decent job, arguably better than the average. Houle and Gauthier were both mediocre or worse, Bergevin most certainly falls in that category. His terrible coaching decisions, extension decisions, bargainbin emphasis and misses in major asset decisions (PK, Sergachev, Radulov, Alzner, Markov) all added up to guiding a strong core that was a few moves away from being a legit contender, to missing the playoffs in 3/4 years and 1 playoff series win in 5 years... this despite full cap spending ability and among the league best in hockey ops spending capacity.
Bergevin has been a complete failure heading into his 8th!!! offseason. That's all there really is to it.
i still don't quite get this obsession with comparing "worst moves" as the evaluation tool... makes no sense. A GM's job is a complex interplay of trades, UFA signings, drafting, extensions, coaching & hockey personnel decisions, public/media relations, budget management et.
Pointing to any one or two moves and using that as the measuring stick is both silly and useless. On the whole, it's a matter of how they manage the organizations hockey assets.
Gainey, for all his mistakes, did a decent job, arguably better than the average. Houle and Gauthier were both mediocre or worse, Bergevin most certainly falls in that category. His terrible coaching decisions, extension decisions, bargainbin emphasis and misses in major asset decisions (PK, Sergachev, Radulov, Alzner, Markov) all added up to guiding a strong core that was a few moves away from being a legit contender, to missing the playoffs in 3/4 years and 1 playoff series win in 5 years... this despite full cap spending ability and among the league best in hockey ops spending capacity.
Bergevin has been a complete failure heading into his 8th!!! offseason. That's all there really is to it.
Bergevin’s level of incompetence has reached the point where the team would be better off if he had never done any move at all. It makes sense to compare the GMs as far as which one did the least damage.
You have not shown anything to prove your incompetence opinion. You ignore the good moves and inflate anything you can find to try to prove incompetence. It does make sense to look at the worse moves. Why? Cause most give respect to Gainey but ignore that he made one of the worse trades in franchise history.
I talk about both positives and negatives. You ignore the positives and blow up the negatives. And you think you are being reasonable. What a joke!
It is not a valid debate in 2019. Gainey stepped down 9 years ago and comparing our GM based on the failures of the previous GM is hardly important at this point. Bergevin is entering his 8th off-season and has missed the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons and at this point it is all we should be talking about until he gets fired.
You have not shown anything to prove your incompetence opinion. You ignore the good moves and inflate anything you can find to try to prove incompetence (it's coming... I know lol). It does make sense to look at the worse moves. Why? Cause most give respect to Gainey but ignore that he made one of the worse trades in franchise history.
I talk about both positives and negatives. You ignore the positives and blow up the negatives. And you think you are being reasonable. What a joke!
Coming from someone who responds with a Riahanna gif on the same page thats rich.
So Bergevin is on the hook for his mistakes but Gainey is not? Makes sense only in your world cause you will stop at nothing to create reasons to say Bergevin is horrible.
I know it's hard for you non-supporters of Bergevin to give any credit for our team direction today. You keep talking about the past at your convenience but when it goes against you, you say it makes no sense. Hilarious
The Patch, Galchenyuk and acquiring Armia deals are some of best moves we have made in years! Not many GM's can turn around a team like Bergevin did in the last 12 months. Then you say he got us in that position? Well, yeah, when both Price and Weber have long term injuries, it don't end up well but this is Bergevin's fault
Two things that stand out with me with Bergevin's mistakes. Not willing to overpay Radulov to make him stay and signing Alzner. Many respect Gainey but why does he get a pass for making one of the worse trades in franchise history? Weird if you ask me
It's been 9 years...I guess I should give Gainey a pass for what Houle did in 1999. If you keep comparing GM's with what his predecessor did, you will always be mediocre.
After 7 seasons we are where we are. A very young team with a good mix of vets, lots of cap space, and one of the best prospect pools. But wait, this means nothing cause we should of won a cup of be a contender by now. It don't work that way
I am still waiting on his draft picks to have an impact on this team.
We all are. The 2012 and 2013 picks were certainly a disappointments but we know now that those were not deep drafts. Do you not like our current situation in terms of future potential?
If Bergevin was fired today, the next GM inherits a pretty solid team. I like our current situation. Still work to be done but we are trending in the right direction.
I'm at the point where I'm going to try to forget the past. It's been rehashed already.Bergevin’s level of incompetence has reached the point where the team would be better off if he had never done any move at all. It makes sense to compare the GMs as far as which one did the least damage.
Contender or a cup? Lolll...Good one. Most Habs fans would settle with just seeing a semblance of a plan.After 7 seasons we are where we are. A very young team with a good mix of vets, lots of cap space, and one of the best prospect pools. But wait, this means nothing cause we should of won a cup of be a contender by now. Sorry, It don't work that way.
We went from non playoff team to....non playoff team. Wow! Remarkable! A Statue must be built!I know you don't like it but what Bergevin did in the last 12 months to turn things around was not easy. This is not a sign of a incompetent GM
Did you know we have 10 picks in the next draft and this comes after two very good draft years in 2017 and 2018.
I know in the 2012-2013 period we had very few picks in the first three rounds. Would you know who traded them away? I would give a pass on Bergevin if he did not and had to work with very few picks and a thinned prospect pool then.
But as of now Bergevin do not impress me either. He's taken a team that was a consistently making the trip to the playoffs to a non-playoff team. To me, it also looked like he tried to win in his first years so he was not planning a rebuilt and give me the impression that he was forced into a rebuilt because of his incompetence.
He's made some good moves recently and is very good at finding excellent 3rd-4th liners but at this point we have to trust Timmins and the development team more than ever
Contender or a cup? Lolll...Good one. Most Habs fans would settle with just seeing a semblance of a plan.
Lolllllllll a Cup!!!
We went from non playoff team to....non playoff team. Wow! Remarkable! A Statue must be built!
Aren't most of those picks in 4th rd+? We really just have one extra 2nd pick in the first 3 rounds no?
Actually, I said if Bergevin wasn't fired after the previous year, I think he's here to stay, so I've made my peace. The bozo is here to stay and you will try to rationalize 99% of his moves as you have since the beginning. But we all remember, you were on the ''fire him'' wagon too. For some odd reason though you take joy in us not making the POs for a 3rd year in a row and seem to mock people that are upset, tryingt to paint them as irrational...Lolll...Those damn fans who aren't happy with one PO round in 4 years, spoiled brats let me tell ya.We do have a plan after our 2018 off season re-set. It's youth movement and a team that looks promising in terms of the future potential. I know, you hate this turnaround cause you wanted him fired. Sorry, we are stuck with him for another season.
How did I deflate the picks? Did I turn a 1st rd pick and turned it into a 4th??...What the hell are you even talking about? lollllThere is a thread somewhere on our main board that shows what our actual picks are. It's comical how you are deflating the picks we have in this next draft. Not surprised. You ignore anything positive cause you want him fired so bad it burns.